New oil eating old engines

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If you email me I have a list at work at the few canadian distributors we have..... that market zddplus.

Its been tough to get into stores....not sure what kind of cars you are into but it is available from eastwood-bill hirsh-mac antiques-year one just to name some general major places....

Had a Canadian stop last week exchange rate was pretty close to dead even with US $$$$

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

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You guys should go to Gibbs or Brad Penns websites so you fully understand some of the problems that can occur, you can render your oil useless by adding the wrong additives to it. Please read before you do your next change especially if you are changing product brands or types.

 

ZDDPlus will mix with ANY OIL with no issues....guarenteed! Nothing is in it that was not in the oil originally. Companies would like you to think adding products like this can cause problems....this is one product that won't cause a problem.....be hard to have 4 cam companies on board if it was....

Product I am referring to is zddplus which will mix with no problem company behind it is very very well versed....

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

Kendall GT has more zddp in it and it does not cost alot. Check the specs and you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

Do you have it handy to share with us? Also the API star burst what 2 letter code does it have?

PPM from 600 to what it used to have 1,800 is quite a range.....what count does it say? Most oils that have hopped on the band wagon simply say we have more zinc or for flat tappet older engines etc....

Lots of options available....

I think most of the readers can at least agree on one thing ZDDP levels is not what it used to be no more than gas octane is what it used to be that most of us remember......

Its nice Citgo Oil admited it in an earlier quoted post. Few years back no oil company would admit it since oil was always supposed to be backwards compatible. Castrol Oil admited it also a few years ago on their website that it was not backwards compatible.

Remember the government does not care about old cars....you do....

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

I did the "Ask Shell" thing a couple years ago, basicly the same answer, use our diesel oil in older engines. Of course the "modifying lifters" that Citgo mentions is roller lifters.

 

Typically Wal-Marts here have the Accel SF 10W-40 & straight 30W that is pure oil with no additive package, was marked for pre 1930(?) cars/engines only, but was relabled for non car use.

 

Never hurts to bring this subject up again on a semi-regular basis.
Also....in 2012 the additive package in all SAE oils sold over the counter will be reduced again due to "NEW" EPA regulations.

 

I wish I could go to a local store and buy ZDDPlus or an equivalent, but nobody carries it. I can find other additives that purport to do the same thing, but without ZDDP, (yeah, right) but I want the real deal and I want it local in Mesa or Phoenix AZ. With all the old driver cars running around here, you'd figure it would be available. So for now, it looks like Valvoline Racing is where it's at. Just filled a '67 390 GT Fairlane with that, wish me well!

-KK

 

Get it on line from there web site or vintageford.com has it for 9 or 10 bucks,but i think they are a vendor on the hamb.

 

I went to the "ZDDPPlus" website and as much as I looked, I didn't see any pricing info. This makes me suspicious. There is a guy here in the twin cities that offers a lot of cars for sale. He never lists a price. I have been interested in some of them and got far enough to get a price. The prices, in my opinion, are way over-inflated. Again, if an advertiser doesn't list at least a retail price, I get wary real quick. I realize that some of the posts here mention a price of $9 to $10 a bottle, but if I can't get it from the horses mouth, I lose interest very quickly.

 

Doesn't NAPA carry it - I heard they did.

 

GM EOS at one time was abut the only option available for the issue of lower zddp levels...however, you woul dneed over 2 bottles of EOS to equal what is in one four ounce bottle of zddplus.

Todays diesel oils if you look at the code on the back is now no better than the S codes associated with oils for gas engines....

Plus as someone pointed out earlier whe the next code after SM hits the stores pretty certian zddp levels (ppm) will be reduced even more.

If you are seeking a simple solution and wanting to stick with the current sm oil you have always used you need the additive to be "safe".......At $10 versus lifter wear seems like a pretty good investment again referring to sticking to any of the current SM oils.

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

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Tubman i understand your point,vintageford.com has it,thats where i buy it from.Everything today is over inflated but i would rather lay down 10$ for the zddp and protect my engine internals.There is nothing suspicious about the website,its all about the product,i may have made a mistake about buying it there.But this is some really good product needed for older engines.

 

Can't confirm, but the single weight Shell Rotella 30 seems to have more zinc (1200ppm) than the multi viscosity oils.

 

my head's gonna explode-old, very old news

 

Kendall GT-1 High Performance with Liquid Titanium, SAE 20W-50, also contains a boosted level of zinc dialkyldithiophosphate (ZDDP) additive to provide additional wear protection and enhanced oxidation resistance for use in the most demanding applications. It is particularly recommended for use in turbocharged engines and in high-performance engines with flat-tappet camshafts, especially during the critical break-in period.

 

Titanium?? Sounds abrasive to me!

 

Kendal GT-1 P ppm 1229/ ZN ppm 1415

 

The Eastwood company is carrying it...
http://search.eastwood.com/search?w=zddp&p=Q&ts=custom

 

True Eastwood offers the product ZDDPlus...(we sell direct to them.) You need to ask for it by name to get that product.

While others above have mentioned other oils that contian various amounts of zddp they still fall short of what used to be in oil back under the SF category which was 1800 ppm of zddp.

I am not implying 1200 to 1500 is not ok but why gamble and have marginal levels?

It is a known fact that zddp depletes a a faster rate for the 1000 miles of driving one reason any high performance flat tappet set up its best to start with what amounts was in the oil before they started to remove it for EPA reasons etc...

denniskirban@yahoo.com

 

I see you reside in Tucson Arizona.....product is available near you Phoenix Engines in Phoenix carries it as well.

denniskirban@yahoo.com

I am going by memory on this.

 

As for finding it in stores....it is very hard to get a product into any of the major store chains unless you have more than one product. It is also difficult to even reach the department that looks into new products. Takes time. Every major chain store is fully aware of the product at this point in time.

The company instead went after huge mail order companies and engine warehouses that sell direct to engine rebuilders as they knew of the issues first. The public was a little slow to grasp the idea that all of sudden something as common as motor oil was no longer backwards compatible for older cars/trucks meaning flat tappet set ups.

The internet has definately speeded up the process of knowledge.....yet their is still many non believers out there. Even at first cam companies blamed it on poor break in procedures or foreign lifters. They did not even realize at first, that something was needed after break in to stop the wear issues. (ZDDP)

Look at Ford a few years back.....with their Cobra model advertised certain amount of HP and owners did some dyno testing and bingo owners found out HP rating was not as claimed and Ford had to fix them that year and because they did, they ended up not making Cobras the following year in order to catch up.

At Porsche if its one HP less than advertised they tear the engine down......according to a friend of mine that got a company tour in Germany a few years back.

At BMW, you best run the special oil they recommend or equilvent....M3/M5 engines are not cheap........

Just pointing out a few similar stories......

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yes this is an old post but i think it needs to be brought bttt.just in case some people dont know about it.if anybody is haveing problems finding zddp add.they can always buy some from summit or jegs.i know the advanced auto parts around me carrys some to.

 

Just read this entire thread. Must say I really enjoyed the drama. Never thought I would say that.

Kind of like the drama of Paul Sr. ranting for 10 minutes because he can't find his drill (which was the last straw for me for that TV show), but there is an important message in the drama. Three important messages, in fact.

Take-home message #1:

Abrasive and pissy as it was, zman's main point is correct. I believe he speaks from hard-earned HAMB experience. Better to bump an older thread. OP's defense that the thread isn't about "New oil eating old engines" doesn't quite wash since that is the title of the thread. And that is what the thread is all about.


Take-home message #2:

Never discount the hard-earned experience of the folks in the trenches. Much of the thread was dominated by a zddp salesman who kept repeating "the cam manufacturers wouldn't recommmend it if it wasn't needed" etc. But it's hard to argue against guys like Pork'n'Beaner who speak from first-hand experience. All he is saying is that he's not sold on the need for a zinc additive. He gets all the zinc (or zddp or whatever it is we're talking about) he needs from his oil, no additive required.


Take-home message #3:

Zinc is an important and necessary component of motor oil. The levels of zinc have been reduced in recent years due to the problems zinc presents to catalytic converters. Pay close attention to the oil you use. Don't just buy any old oil off the shelf.

 

It is a good read, My shop only uses Valvoline Racing or Redline, also im not a believer in multi viscosity especially in endurance engine or engines running heavy duty cycle, I prefer a straight weight for application and climate. Manufactures of oem equipment suggest a oil that is suitable for all climate use they sell their product from Alaska to Mexico, so their weight rating is quite vague for actual climate usage.