You know, "HIPPIES", eat dirt, shit on each other, and expect everyone else to live the same way. No shoes, panhandling, ect...
I read this entire thread. As a environmental compliance inspector (yup thats what I do for a living) all I can do is shake my head at how misinformed some people are. When dealing with law, women and cars you need to leave emotion out of the equasion. The laws are going to pass, they are going to get tougher. The little guy will always be the worst effected or hardest hit. Look at what we have to deal with to get decent chrome done. It's been that way for decades...longer. Oh yeah, Stop blaming California everytime this type of shit happenes. The are a few million of us that are conservitive, gun toting, verterans. Everytime someone lumps us in with hippies, treehuggers and other air head types you only sound stupid. We may not be perfect but then we've never had a Love Canal or one of our rivers catch fire and burn for three days. Sure most environmental laws are a pain in the ass for us little guys. But think about it, we (the USA) used to take our PCB transformer oil and use it for dust control on dirt roads, the same dirt roads that the rain run off wattered the veggie fields. Someone in the thread already said it. Stay off the radar, use comon sense with your haz waste and keep records showing that you're doing the best you can to keep shit out of the environment and you'll be fine. But if a inspector comes to your home and says they you've been reported for pouring your oils and waste paints into a hole in the ground then you got no one to blame but you.
What are you the Thread Police.... I think if anyone says anything it's Ryan.... For christ sake lighten up!!!!!
It looks like you will since it appears you are in the business. What alot of guys don't get is that these laws give your pain in the ass neighbors the leverage to get you in deep trouble. Even if you can get the goodies, your asshole neighbor can turn you in to the tune of thousands in fines. Forget the normal zoning issues. Now you are a polluter!!!!! Go to the EPA site and leave comments. Go to your politicians and bitch. This may turn into a big problem!!!!!
It all starts in California and the State of New York follows right along. When you're driving your 35 MPG shitbox in 2020 thanks to Pelosi and her nature nazi's from CA, there will only be one state to blame. Instead of looking at factories and the like, CA, NY and a few other states want to force the American public to drive too small shit boxes no one wants. This is why SUV's sell so well. They were mostly exempt in terms of CAFE regulations. Full size trucks out sell every other type of vehicle because of this. Again, I think California should put their money where there mouths are by banning the sales of gasoline, E85, diesel and jet fuel. California will truely be zero emissions. Let the governor go back to riding horses... And if the auto manufacturers had any spine, they'd stop selling cars in both CA and NY.
The simple solution to this all would be for the coating companies to develop an automotive paint that isn't so damned nasty. According to a buddy of mine who is a union painter, there are now water based industrial paints that live through some pretty horrible cutting fluids (chlorinated and sulfurized cutting oils, synthetic cutting oils, etc), there has got to be some way that this sort of technology can be applied to the automotive refinishing industry. If we could get the nasty stuff out of the process, there wouldn't be any reason for the EPA to regulate our use of the stuff. THAT would be the best solution, IMO. The Feds get to save us from ourselves, and we can continue to paint our autos to keep the ugly rust monster at bay for a few more years.
Done... But just like the last big change in automotive paints and the one before that, people need to be forced to use it. They'll keep getting the nasty stuff until the other stuff is mandated....
Sawracer, it's all smoke and mirrors. if the government wanted to control pollution they would go after Big Business rather than back yard hobbiests. but since Big Business controls the government that's not going to happen. and as far as parks and schools go that is a lever to get people to agree to higher taxes
No- You're right. But, my inference was that hot rodders will 'find' the paint they need when they need it- I know guys have run to Mexico to buy 'real' lacquer paint when that became illegal to purchase here. ..and this is key! Water-based automotive paints do exist, and they do stick, and they do look good- BUT- the clearcoats are the key. I've yet to see a top-quality water-based clearcoat (or pearl, or candy) that is as good as the solvent-based stuff. When it happens, things will get easier. ~Scotch~
I only have 2 things to say - 1. Since when has the law been much concern. 2. If "paint" kills hot rodding, then its become a horse laid lame, and should be shot anyway.
Saturn has been using water based paints since the early 90's. That's how they could do the flexible body panels and not have the paint crack. I don't know about the pearls and candies. But I bet if there was a market for them, somebody would find a way to make them look good.
Not me, I can't stand the solvents that good paint makes me use now. You get all loopy mixing the stuff, and if you get it on your hands or skin (and you will eventually), it dries out and cracks it, not cool either. My hands get enough damage just from me be a clumsy ham fisted fool, they don't need another source of abuse. The bottom line for me is that it works like it's supposed to. Years ago we painted steel structures in a spice grinding plant with this water based stuff that was brand new and supposed to be the hot ticket for food safe painting, etc, yadda. Cleaned the structure and applied it per the instructions, and it didn't perform worth a crap. The technology just wasn't up to the abuse of thrice daily steam cleanings (the manufacturer said it was, but the real world kinda proved them wrong). After three months, we were back in there stripping the water based stuff and putting this nasty epoxy back on it (two part, horrible smell, impossible to clean off your tools, in fact I still find scrapers and buckets with the stuff still on them, and that was 12-15 yrs ago). The water based stuff was easy to work with, and not horribly expensive. The epoxy was a PITA and nearly three times the cost. But in that environment, the former just couldn't hang on like the latter could. I understand now that they have water based stuff that will live through that sort of thing. I wouldn't think twice about switching. I'm a crummy painter with solvent based paints, can't be any worse with water based.
It's not the government protecting us from ourselves... is the government protection my drinking water from your careless habits. I am ok with that... within reason. This sounds reasonable.
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