Sorry but these are based on the conventional cylinder head with no plans for the Vortec . When we originally offered the Six Shooter packages we tooled up and did a Vortec for them and I think we still have 60 or so of the original run of 100 intakes left as compared to the other packages where we have been through many runs. Now as far as pricing and delivery.... dealers will have the pricing in their hands on Thursday and all of the packages will be available after that time except for the Badman which is still a couple of months away. I will post the Racer net pricing on here for all of those who have asked once it is available but be sure and contact your local dealer if you are interested. The first run of packages will be 75 with another 150 being released mid August through September.
Pricing and product will be available to your local dealers starting sometime on Thursday.We will also post it on here around the same time as well.
Ford used to have an inline four barrel,that looked like two 48 IDA Webers connected together. But they were used in pairs on the GT40 and CanAm motors. Later there were some that looked the same but were injectors. Hilborn looking.
guess I'm playing the devil's advocate, but.. doesn't the ZZ4 make 355hp in stock form? then with a cam and heads? did you do any dyno tests Vs. the same modified engine with oh say a stock manifold? or some sort of baseline like an edelbrock RPM or something?
Being that you asked...the ZZ4 is rated at 355hp but we have seen in sev eral independant magazine tests where it comes in around 380tg and 349hp. Our dyno mule is basically the shortblock with a 230/236@50 cam and an aftermarket 195cc head. Nothing real radical but to answer you in regards to the baseline it was indeed baselined using a 650 Speed Demon and an air gap manifold which is an isolated runner "cold" manifold that often exhibits less than desirable cold start and drivability . The manifolds we are using with the packages are a "warm" manifold where the base of the intake is heated by the enigne which helps with cold start and drivability. With this in mind we could have gone the route of the "cold" manifolds and made higher power numbers but sacrificed some drivability. Also keep in mind that with the nostalgic type set-ups they will not flow what a conventional single 4 does due to the much smaller ****erflies. With all that said here are the comparison numbers that you asked for..... [1] baseline using 650 Speed and Edel air gap - 416tq 413hp [2] Triple Deuce using 3 Demon 98's - 388tq 375hp [3] 4 Deuce using 4 Demon 98's - 388tq 387hp [4] 6 Deuce using 6 Demon 98's - 408tq 407hp [5] 6 Shooter Max using 3 of the same 2bbl's found on our 6 Shooter packages which have a large base and ****erflies -425tq 427hp [6] Single 4 Econo Comp using our intake and 650 -416tq 416hp note: with our "warm" Aeroram intake you now gain better drivability and a little more horsepower vs the old "cold" design. [7] Pro Twin dual quad with vacuum secondary carbs -410tq 410hp [8] Badman inline carburetor -424tq 427hp ........................................................................
Just to give you an idea of how small the ****erflies are compared to a single 4 here is a shot from the bottom side of the Triple Deuce .
thanks for all the info. the more I learn the more I like that inline carb and looks like it performs pretty well too. yeah I wasn't really expecting the numbers for the multicarb set-ups to be higher, but was wondering how close they are to a 4bbl. not only are the ****lerflies smaller, but then there's also another throttleshaft that takes up space. is there any plan to make lower manifolds for other engines? even SBF or BBC?
Now... let's take it one step further. Something that we have not had time to dyno with yet but will be is swapping in a larger cam. We all know that with the conventional "cold" air gap style manifold and a larger camshaft with lower compression will perform ok but may suffer in low speed drivability and throttle response whereas we have seen with our Aeroram being a "warm" manifold coupled with the equal length runners that the drivability is much better in testing that we have performed with the inline carburetor and the Triple Deuce in a couple of our in house vehicles. I think once we do the cam swap we will see even better numbers but will not be giving up any drivabilty.
Wow, impressive numbers for sure. What cfm do the 98's flow? Kind of crazy how the 6 2 bbls out performed the 4x2 and 3x2 setup. What kind of jetting did you use? Impressive stuff for sure.
Intake development is under way for the SBF as we speak and we hope to have these same packages available for both the SBF and the BBC by the end of this year.
Thanks,The 98's are rated at 205 cfm each but will flow a little less on the 4 and 6 applications due to restrictions in the spacers needed to use more than 3. In regards to the jetting I do not have that information handy as our R&D guy who worked on this project is currently at Volvo Penta this week as we have replaced one of our compe***ors for Volvo Penta's choice in carburetors due to quality control issues they were having. When he gets back in I will get them posted for you.
Here's one for reference. http://www.shopatron.com/product/product_id=BAR7600/496.0.0.0.0.0.0 http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=9808/496.0.19158.0.0.0.0 http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=9809/496.0.19158.0.0.0.0
Shopatron is a service that shops a customers order through our dealer network. Once the order is placed it is then posted for dealers in the buyers area who would have the item in stock and can ship. The information posted on the Badman is only preliminary as the first two offerings will be for small block Chevy and will only be 675 and 775 cfm versions and will not be available for a couple of months. The information on the Triple Deuce would be accurate as that version began shipping 2 weeks ago . All of the other induction packages will be available after Thursday and as mentioned we will post the pricing for those once it is released to the dealers.
Hey BG..wanna test bed any one of those set ups on a mild 327..in a 3400 pound 53 Chevy? comp cam 12-242-2..1.95 intakes..nice 64CC heads..all cast iron..with headers? dynos are fine but reality is the ..well.. real
Already a step ahead there as before the last couple of weeks of dyno testing several of the set-ups have been ran on 2 of our in-house test cars as we feel having drivability and throttle response is just as important as trying to make big hp numbers on the dyno. As stated earlier we could have gone a different route with the intake manifold [cold vs warm] but then would have had to sacrifice cold starts and drivability. Here's a picture of the Triple Deuce on our Chevelle during drivability testing.
The Ford inline 4 bbl was an Autolite. Available over the counter for the Boss motors. Extremely rare, especially when trying to find the intake too. Then there are rebuild parts, although some of those are shared. internet searches will find info on them....
I'll give you guys a little background info on how all of this came about and also to tell you guys that both Barry and the R&D department appreciate all of the positive comments and warm response for these new products. It started with our sales manager Scott who was getting calls from guys wanting to see three of the 98's on our Aeroram intake so Barry and his wife Robin went to the West Coast nationals to see what the end users were doing , how they were doing it , what they were using and to talk with everyone to see what their induction needs were and what they would like to see as well as how we could improve the product line. He was real pleased with the response they received there as well as getting a lot of positive input from you guys. In coming back and getting these packages together in time for the Columbus show it was a real thrash as not only did we want to dyno the new kits but also wanted to perform drivability testing on them as we dont believe in making the end user a guinea pig. Several times during the drivability testing Barry himself would climb into the car and take it for a spin . Thanks again from everyone here for the responses as we really do appreciate the input from you guys.
You can get the old to work..if you have too..I have no fuel leak problems or hesitation off the line, dragraced and street driven with straight linkage and able to run higher fuel pressure than normal with these carbs......but it took work to get it that way....and over time playing with it ..what I have learned is priceless.........I do support new products of all types.......The dragStrip dyno and real street time is king........what I like about the new carbs is the extra cfm per carb over the old......but I have been working on a set of heavily modified 94's in search of more cfm........Its good to see a product that improves on the original.........but would love to line up against a similar weight vehicle with the same build sheet engine wise but with the new carbs.....Littleman.......But the more I think about it...I am interested to see better pics if the intake...thats an area that my old Offenhauser could use some improvement...
Any dyno tests done with OLD manifolds???? Like Weiand/Edelbrock logs or Offy, McGurk, Man-e-fre's, etc????? Not digging the look of these "new" manifolds.......but am interested in the carbs...
We have not tested these carburetors on any of the old intakes on an overhead valve motor but think it would be similar to what we have seen in testing them with the old intakes on the flathead motors. We have had reports from customers on 180-200hp Ford flathead engines seeing gains of 15hp by simply taking the 97's off and putting our 98's on. We really dont know what that would equate to at this time on the newer engines with an older intake but would expect to see similar results. If you are interested in just the carburetors they are available by themselves in both a primary and a secondary version along with a primary version that is boost referenced for a roots style supercharger.We also have an adjustable fuel log for them and linkage kits available as well. Quite a few of our existing dealers are already stocking the carburetors and components plus we have added some new dealers when we released the 98's back in February.
Last one for now but here's another pic of just the carburetors installed on an old original y-block intake that is in Robins car.
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