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History NHRA Junior Stock

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by colesy, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. Head NED
    Joined: Sep 25, 2009
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    Head NED
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    from York, PA

    Appreciate the nice comments. The York Reunion is full of memories and
    lots of comradery. Hope you can make it. We never know from year to
    year how many of our good friends we will lose from our "fraternity".
    Stay well and we hope to see you in July.
     
  2. Islandworker
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
    Posts: 165

    Islandworker
    Member
    from Illinois

    :cool:Maybe a forensic accident specialist can tell us if the vette was going forward or the olds was going backward. I wonder if Mr. Doll remembers Tom Drabik? He had something to do with NED back in the late 60s and early 70s.
     
  3. Chuck Carman
    Joined: Oct 19, 2009
    Posts: 238

    Chuck Carman
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    I never saw an add that didn't say 400. Now I'm really interested in that book. All I need now is a coffee table.
     
  4. Islandworker
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
    Posts: 165

    Islandworker
    Member
    from Illinois

    :cool:Some of the info from the ad.
    1957 Chev sedan delivery
    Last raced in early 70's then parked.
    283-220h.p.
    Duffy's pistons
    ELK'S head service heads.
    4.11 rear end
    Lunati cam
    Stahl headers
    Cast iron powerglide w/stall convertor(do not remember brand)also, have a hydro that goes with car.
    Fenton wheels on front & steel wheels rear.
    Both original seats, has all the original wood in the rear.
    Raced mainly in Division 3 by Kyle Marshall, and still is owned by Kyle.
    2-owner car, he purchased in 1961 in Dayton OH, originally owned by McCalls magazine in Dayton.
    Parked in garage for past 35+years
    Does still run, trans & brakes still work
    Would make a great project or just update car & race as-is. He's asking $15,000.
     

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  5. LAWAUTO
    Joined: May 20, 2009
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    LAWAUTO
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    Rich had it correct it's Lou Cuviello (That's me).
    Also "Richie The Beard" from US Performance in Teanack,NJ talked me into racing a bike while I still ran my 64 Chevy II super stocker. My first year riding I won the 1981 Division 1 Brackets at Maple Grove, that was first year NHRA included the motorcycles. I didn't even drive a street bike! All I knew is when you stop it falls over!!!
    Lou - Law
     
  6. X-TECH MAN
    Joined: Mar 21, 2009
    Posts: 317

    X-TECH MAN
    Member
    from Florida

    Gee's.....If I lived where I could still get to the nostaliga races without driving and towing a zillion miles I would buy that piece of history in a heart beat. You couldnt get close to building a piece like that for the money and taking care of the little things that go bad with age (like us) would be peanuts and easy. Im surprised someone who is into Jr. Stockers and Nostalgia events hasent jumped on it. It would also make a cool IHRA "Pure Stocker" as NHRA and IHRA has recently allowed the 200 and 350 turbos as legal replacement transmissions in place of the P/G because of the TURBO GLIDE trans being avaliable in the 57 thru 61 big bodied chevys back in the day.
     
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  7. spiderdeville
    Joined: Jun 30, 2007
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    spiderdeville
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    from BOGOTA,NJ

    thought they recalled all of the turbo glides :)
     
  8. Islandworker
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
    Posts: 165

    Islandworker
    Member
    from Illinois

    :cool:For the Ford guys from racingjunk.com:
    1967 Ford Fairlane NHRA/IHRA Stock Eliminator

    NHRA/IHRA Stock Eliminator

    $18,500.00
    Price reduction. Guys, I've got to get this out of my garage. This is a great buy! Above Added: Mon April 19, 2010, 2:29 pm EST

    Body bead blasted to bare metal, primed and repainted including engine compartment and door jams
    New interior, carpet, and headline
    New roll cage
    New Door seals and trim gaskets
    Some new chrome
    New weld wheels and front tires
    New wheelie bars
    New 4:57 Mark Williams gear set, center section, light weight spool, and new axels
    New drive shaft
    New JPT C4 with low first gear
    New JPT torque converter
    Cheetah Shifter
    Fresh 427 Ford side oiler (bore 4.290) Crower rods, Schubec lifters, Bullet cam, new Moroso water pump and fan drive,
    New Optima Battery
    MSD with 3 step
    Approximate weight 3400# with no driver
    Second fiberglass scoop hood
    Can run A or B stock automatic with fiberglass hood and 2 four barrels
    Can run B, C, or D, stock automatic with one four barrel and steel hood

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    This isn't my car just passing along what I found.


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  9. Nice Fairlane! How did you get it down to 3400lbs???
    -Dean
     
  10. X-TECH MAN
    Joined: Mar 21, 2009
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    X-TECH MAN
    Member
    from Florida

    Nice car but it cant run with the new generation of late model FI DP Challengers, etc. Not only that.....427 Medium riser parts are rare and VERY expensive. It would make a better H & I car with a 390 except the 5.7 DP Challengers have everyone covered in those classes also. Its STILL a nice car and would be a great nostalia race car.
     
  11. ScottV
    Joined: Jul 18, 2009
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    There is an old racer trick for this ... Helium in the tires !!! :p
     
  12. TMcCrea
    Joined: Aug 13, 2008
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    TMcCrea
    Member
    from Maryland

    Terry Cook had a few minor errors in the article, like Alex Jarrell having a '57 wagon, Hampp-Jarrell-Cox team being from PA. Joe Cox was from PA, Alex from DE and Charlie Hampp from MD.

    One of the names mentioned was Ernie Spisso from NJ. Was his car the Camaro ahead of the Knucklebuster car in this photo?
     

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  13. Watusi 2
    Joined: Dec 30, 2008
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    Watusi 2
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    Don't think so, Spisso's car was silver-grey.

    Although not a color photo, see the attached pic.

    WII
     

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  14. X-TECH MAN
    Joined: Mar 21, 2009
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    X-TECH MAN
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    from Florida

    There ya go.....the above posts shows you how to set up the 57 sedan delivery that is for sale by Kyle Marshall either as a single 4 carb or if you can run across an FI unit.
    I remember running against the "CHERRY BUSTER" 57 sedan delivery at Aquasco in Maryland back in 1965 at a Jr. stock $$$$ meet. All I saw was the rear view of that beautiful 57 Chevy as he drove past me....lol.
     
  15. Simon and Biebel
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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    Simon and Biebel
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    from N.J.

    I remember John Archambault very well. When he first built and raced his delivery it was a little slower than ours and we out ran him MPH wise. He protested us at a Jr Stock race at Island in the fall of 1966. We won the race thanks to making bye runs and then a missed shift by our final round competetitor, the "Monster Mash" and spent hours in the teardown barn before we left with the $$$$$. John felt we must have a bogus cam to run the speed we were running. I think it was about 94-95mph.


    John basically said he had to leave to get home to Philly before everyone came to agreement about the cam. I can't quite recall if it was really a Chevy cam or not.......There were already some "special cams" out there from Sig Erson I think by then.....

    I do recall that these cars got much faster in a very short span of about 1-2 years and John was one of the fastest with a '57. I think there were some '55s or '56's that ran the same class as a 283/220 '57 and were faster.....Mike Moschello's T/K powered car comes to mind......

    We ran high 14's in 1966 and that was pretty competitive.....I recall seeing guys running in the 13's by 1968 I guess it was in the same class with similar cars.....That was amazing to me to see such a big jump but we basically had a Stock engine in 1966.....None of the trick rings or pistons or cams....
     
  16. sinistri
    Joined: Aug 6, 2009
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    sinistri
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    from reading pa

    The second terror car was bought by Charley Lutz & Roger Sinistri... car was bought in summer of 65 raced thru 1966 , sat out 1967 and was then sold to Larry Payne of the northeast pa region. and have lost track of Larry and the cars whereabouts ....... Attached is the record set with the car in 1966. Car eventually ran a 12.84 @107 and change at the grove in the fall of 66. This is coming from the horses mouths ,they are both sitting in the office of the engine shop recalling and bench racing as i type !!!
     

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  17. X-TECH MAN
    Joined: Mar 21, 2009
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    X-TECH MAN
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    from Florida

    56 2dr Wagons, and Lamar Vaubles (sp?) Belair convert. with the 265/225 HP come to mind as being really quick. The "rate of lift" cams that came into being produced most of the et reduction in that era.
     
  18. Simon and Biebel
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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    Simon and Biebel
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    from N.J.

    The'57 Chevy E/MP wagon shown in the Manley ad belonged to my good friend Jay Kalmus. He was in the Army (National Guard) and was called up for a years active service during the Viet Nam war.......Tony Feil raced it for that year. I traveled to a number of races with Jay during 1968. We were running either D/ or E/MP and runnning mid 12's. I worked at Tony's shop for a while. Tony Feil built and raced a number of different cars. Anglias....Camaros.....All gassers or M/P classes. Jay Kalmus later bought a Camaro from Tony and raced E and F/MP.......He quit soon after that and did a show car '57 Nomad and toured with it. He was a Mailman and retired from the P.O. and started a '55-'57 Chevy parts business. Moved to Florida.......Sadly he became ill with Cancer and fought it for years.......but it eventually took him.

    I loved Jay Kalmus as he was always smilin. and I saw him everyday for years as the P.O. was next to the station I worked at. We used to hang out at his parents house on Sundays for dinner and watch TV comedy shows......A great friend who is basically the reason I got involved with NHRA racing. He was the "serious" racer me and my partner got hooked up with and got us into the car we built thru another friend who had started it but was not going to finish it.......

    I laugh anytime I think of him and the stuff we did in those early days.....
     
  19. Paul Ceasrine
    Joined: Mar 31, 2010
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    Paul Ceasrine
    Member
    from Wilton, CT

    Some Chevy Junior stocker can help me with this question.
    1968, My father runs J/S with his 67' 273/235HP Barracuda.
    In his class, a 57' Chevy Wagon. Is that the 4-door Townsman?
    And the engine, would it be a 283/283 FI or 283/270 dual-quad?
    I'm guessing the wagon had to weigh in at about #3450.
    Just wanted to know what car/engine gave my father the 'fits'.
    Paul
     
  20. TMcCrea
    Joined: Aug 13, 2008
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    TMcCrea
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    from Maryland

    Rich said "Tony Feil raced it for that year. I traveled to a number of races with Jay during 1968. We were running either D/ or E/MP and runnning mid 12's. I worked at Tony's shop for a while."

    The orange G/S '69 Camaro I posted a couple days ago was sponsored by Byrne Bros. Chevrolet ( White Plains, NY) and had one of Tony's decals on it. Do you remember the car/owner?
     
  21. X-TECH MAN
    Joined: Mar 21, 2009
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    X-TECH MAN
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    from Florida

    Remember the T/K wagon of driver Ray Allen called the "Terrible Tangerine". It was a 283/283 9 passenger wagon and one of the quickest.
     
  22. Simon and Biebel
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    Simon and Biebel
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    from N.J.

    I raced a '69 Z/28 just like the one pictured a few times. It belonged to a friend and we towed it on his trailer behind our ramp truck. It was black with white stripes and a beautifull car. What a huge difference driving a solid lifter 302/ 4speed compared to our hyd. cammed 350/4 speed in our Chevy II at the time. The rpm capability difference was the first thing I noticed. The car was run in F/S in 1970 and ran some pretty good times for the effort. I tried a couple different transmissions and broke one on the first run one day at Island dragway.....I tried a 2.5 first Muncie and it did not want to shift at the rpm that little 302 could turn. We had lots of transmission issues in those days in both cars......
     
  23. TMcCrea
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    TMcCrea
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    from Maryland

    Colesy - Thanks for the info on the Camaro.

    As for the Terrible Tangerine, I have posted this photo before, but have found something to add. Notice the pit pass in my shirt pocket. At that event I got a couple good shots of Paula Murphy's funny car and asked her for an address where I could send her a copy. She wrote in on the back of the pass.
     
  24. TMcCrea
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    TMcCrea
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    from Maryland

    First time I have ever had a post screw up and drop the photos! Here they are:
     

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  25. 67 W-30
    Joined: Aug 18, 2009
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    67 W-30
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    from N.E. Ohio

    Well, I'll be "dipped"!!! Lived here in NE Ohio all my life. Visited and vacationed at Geneva-on-the-Lake numerous times!! Never knew Paula Murphy ever lived there. I even followed her early in her career when she was racing Oldsmobiles!!
     
  26. mtkawboy
    Joined: Feb 12, 2007
    Posts: 1,213

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  27. Obviously I wasn't around back then, but one technique that the "In-Bomber" used to make it's injection run was very high fuel pressure. There are two Stewart Warner electric pumpes mounted under the car on the frame, right in line. They also ran the air intake right through the radiator support, with a large velocity stack at the end to suck air in. Yukio Ando was the guy who did all the tuning on the injection.
    -Dean
     
  28. mtkawboy
    Joined: Feb 12, 2007
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    It seems better but when you figure in that a 1965 dollar is worth $6.92 today it loses some luster. That $4000 57 is worth $27,680 to build in todays money. Bartlets car now costs $5536 which is still a bargain. I personally think it was more fun then because you didnt read about Racer X having this guy build his engine & that guy build his car. Ther were a few but for the most part the pride was doing it yourself and there werent many in Junior Stock. Yes, Im old , 66 and counting !
     
  29. BadNews
    Joined: Dec 7, 2009
    Posts: 96

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    This car (the Terrible Tangerine) is the reason I got into racing in the first place. Ralph's shop had NHRA national records plastered all over the place in is front room of the shop. There must have been 60 or 80 approx. It was a great place and a great time in the sport. We all miss Ralph.
     
  30. Islandworker
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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    Islandworker
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    from Illinois

    :cool:Rich, I remember Jay very well. I don't remember what he called the Nomad, but I know it was painted orange and I thought it re-surfaced as a bracket car in the early 80's as the "Fun City Hauler". I remember Tony's Anglia being purple and called the Super Grape, and the Camaro was green with a black vinyl top and it was the Super Melon. When Jay bought it he named it the "Kiddie Kar". Whenever there would be a call over the PA for a small block head gasket or some other part, if Jay had it, it was yours. He was one of those guys that you would meet and think, I want to be like him.
     

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