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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by colesy, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. twotoejoe
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    Does anyone remember this car? It was campaigned in Long Island IIRC. When I bought the car the rear quarter window was full of 'class stickers', but I can't remember the strip name. The car had 11,000 original miles on it back in the early 90's. I sold it back in 2000. Man I wish I'd never sold it.
     

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  2. 67 W-30
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    67 W-30
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    from N.E. Ohio

    dave Koffel lived 20 miles from me --- this is his 'Ponderous Packard" - F/G record holder. He followed this car with his Studebaker Lark "flinstone Flyer" II - D/G. Then went on to campaigning Chrysler factory sponsored cars. He was employed as an engineer at Chrysler and very involved in their racing programs for years!
    Those WERE the days!!!
     
  3. Paul Ceasrine
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    Paul Ceasrine
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    from Wilton, CT

    Chuck Norton,
    Correct.
    The first Dave Kempton car was a 62' 'Sport Fury' 361/305HP car that ran in
    C/SA (63'/64/65'). That was the right combo back then, as the 10.61 wt/hp fit perfect into that class (10.60-11.29). The top 361/305HP cars would run 13.60's. They were classed up to D/SA in 66', and then back into C/SA for 67'.
    The 1966 Indy Stock Champion was the 383/343HP 62' 'Sport Fury', which ran in C/SA. The top 383/343HP cars would run 13.10's. Again the 383/343HP cars have a near perfect 9.54 wt/hp break for the 1966 C/S class (9.50-10.59). In 1967 they
    were re-classed to B/SA, and had a difficult time in getting around the better suited 67' 440 GTX and R/T (B/SA class), and 65' 426/365HP Plymouth/Dodge Street-Wedge cars.
    Paul
     
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  4. BadNews
    Joined: Dec 7, 2009
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    How much do you want for them? I'm looking for a pair of 4" X 15" for the front of my '66 Bel Air, too. Want 4-3/4" direct bolt pattern Cragar
    S/S wheels, no rust, pits or peeling. I'm doing a resto Nostalgia Jr. Stocker.
     
  5. benchseat4speed
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    benchseat4speed
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    from Golden, CO

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    Hell yeah! Cool delivery man.
     
  6. Islandworker
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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    Islandworker
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    from Illinois

    :cool:For anyone interested, this is listed on racingjunk.com. Anyone know who this might have been? NOT MY CAR!


    <CENTER>$3,800.00
    </CENTER>Up for sale once again. Is a dry rust free 1966 bel air wagon stock eliminator car. This car has been all over and has been a stocker since around 1976. This car won the world in Pomona in 1977. Body, floors are in great condition. Interior needs work as does the paint. I have a glide core with manual valve body,needs gear set.The rear is a mark williams 6:13 spool and axles, comes with a spare set of gears.I have block cores, crank cores, the good intake and 2 sets of good heads for rebuild. It is a project, but will make a great stock eliminator car and has ALOT of history. Asking $3800.00 obo. See all my pictures http://s897.photobucket.com/home/wagonboy723r call me 480-201-7539
    Seller Phone Number: 4802017539
     

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  7. WGuy
    Joined: Mar 13, 2008
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    WGuy
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    from Central NJ

    Sorry. Not for sale. I just might use them again.........;)
     
  8. Chuck Norton
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    Chuck Norton
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    from Division 7

    No problem. That wagon belonged to Jerry McClanahan's and Jerry was the driver who scored a national championship with it. (As an aside, Jerry's son and grandson, Brian and Ryan, are very active and very successful in Stock and Super Stock racing today.) The car was sold by McClanahan to Rob Robinson in Portland, Oregon. Rob made a show-worthy car out of it (just like he did every other car I knew him to race) with the light brown paint, powder-painted Super Tricks, the name Heavy Hitter (a reference to Rob's other passion, competitive softball), lettering for Stark Street Pizza (Rob's business), chrome inner fender panels, etc. Rob won at least one national event (Seattle, 1990) and probably others with the car. I believe that it passed through Rob's hands briefly to John Melvin and eventually to John Nickell of Los Angeles. It has changed hands again but I don't know who the current owner might be. The bottom line is, the car was in the winner's circle at the end of the NHRA season.

    c
     
  9. ScottV
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    We have all said that one haven't we !!!???!!!
     
  10. Wagon Killer is NOT selling the Tokyo Rose, that was apparently an April Fools joke, trust me I fell for it.

    The In-Bomber is nearing the end, BUT believe it or not our engine is still not back from the builder. I'm trying to keep everything moving to get this done in time, but there is a chance we will be pushing the car in the show. I hope the folks involved in the reunion wouldn't mind, but I think it would be better to show up with the finished car sans engine then no car at all. Not saying this will happen, but it's possible at this point.
    -Dean
     
  11. WagonKiller
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    Geeez guys i should of left that on here so you could SEE THE DATE IT WAS POSTED!

    APRIL 1st!

    :cool:

    nobody got that!
     
  12. WagonKiller
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    Take it engine or no engine that car is SWEEET!If i end up making it down i'll help push!

    could you possibly stick something else in there? i have an older appearing 307 in rose(undrilled heads and all) it was running funny when i last moved it i thought something was wrong with the engine,but i used the afb carb on my olds engine and it ran the same way! the carb took a poop!
    ya wanna use it?

    :cool:
     
  13. RICH, I was there with 2 different guys, both ran Jerry Robinson in elims and got beat as you know. I have a real good photo of your delivery, PM me with an address and I will send you a copy to post. HENRY.
     
  14. Islandworker
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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    Islandworker
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    from Illinois

    :cool:Thanks Chuck. Jerry's name came to mind but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the travel trail. If race cars could talk.......
     
  15. JrFuel
    Joined: May 22, 2007
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    JrFuel
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    from USA

    This car was pretty nice back when Robinson had it years ago. (Rob had a partner with this piece, and I'll be damned if I can remember that guy's name???)... By the time Nickell raced it, it was getting pretty long in the tooth... But like Chuck said before, it was a runner and a looker in it's time!

    Good Luck in your $ale

    Jr.
     
  16. Islandworker
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    Islandworker
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    from Illinois

  17. Islandworker
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    Islandworker
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    from Illinois

    Go to part 2 (located on the right side ) and there's a good clip of Dave Kemptons win.
     
  18. Islandworker
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    Islandworker
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    from Illinois

    :cool:If you have time run through the whole series. Some quick but great clips of junior stock.
     
  19. Paul Ceasrine
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    Paul Ceasrine
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    from Wilton, CT

    Tiny E,
    I 'think' the 383/343HP engine was originally only available in the Dodge cars for 1962. But was allowed for use in Plymouth's by the NHRA.
    Does that sound correct X-Techman??
    All those C/SA cars you see in 63'/64'/65' are 361/305HP 4-barrel Plymouth
    'Sports Fury' cars, that are running C/SA. In 1966, they were classed down to
    D/SA, and in 1967 they were classed back up to C/SA. That's what confuses
    everyone. As for why the 'Sports Fury' over the Polara 500, one reason, the Sports
    Fury was lighter by 41lbs.
    Paul
     
  20. 67 W-30
    Joined: Aug 18, 2009
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    67 W-30
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    from N.E. Ohio

    That would clear up a lot for me!! I always thought and heard that 62 Dodge was the only car that could run the 343/383? Everytime I saw a car like Callahan & Sulc Plymouth, I just figured that is was one of those 361's? Then I would hear or see where it was a 343/383?
    Please weigh in on this one for us -- X-tech Man -- will ya??
     
  21. Simon and Biebel
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    Simon and Biebel
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    from N.J.

    Who were you with?

    PM sent Henry and thankyou.....Rich
     
  22. Simon and Biebel
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    Simon and Biebel
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    from N.J.


    Jenkins occasionally raced at my local track...Island Dragway. He was in his own world as I recall. Used to be all business. I saw him on a number of occaions there match racing. I am pretty sure I saw him race Jere Stahl there once when they had these two cars. Jenkins could not outun Stahl's car if I recall right.

    I also saw him match race Dick Landy at Island in the very first days of Pro Stock....or right before Pro Stock was created.....

    I can recall it like it was yesterday......rosin burnots....Grump backed up with his door open and both had cigars in their mouths.....

    Landy had some kind of issue on one run and just pulled up and staged and went down track ignoring Jenkins who was sitting there behind the line watching. Landy's car was on the back bumper through 3rd gear....sparks flying as it was night time.....He was in a Challenger and Jenkins was in a Camaro.... A very vivid memory as I was standing right near the cars watching..... In those days there was almost always something to see......
     
  23. X-TECH MAN
    Joined: Mar 21, 2009
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    X-TECH MAN
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    from Florida

    Yep....the 383/343 HP was avaliable in Dodges and Plymouths. Sedans, converts, station wagons, 4 doors, 2 doors. The 9 passenger Dodge wagon that Pratt and Burkett (runner up to Bobby Warren in 1971 at the World Finals in Dallas Texas) ran was heavy enough to run the 10.5 lb class (H/SA) in 1970-71. John Troxell from NJ ran a Plymouth wgon in G/SA (lighter shipping wt.). The engine is de-factored (I think 320 HP) today and can run in lower classes than they ran in 1971.
     
  24. Simon and Biebel
    Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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    Simon and Biebel
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    from N.J.

    My old friend, Joe Kenney ran that engine in the "Trick Tank", I believe.....He was a fun guy....hung out with him a few times at places like York and Sanair.....
     
  25. Paul Ceasrine
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    Paul Ceasrine
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    from Wilton, CT

    Rich,
    Joe Kenney's 'Trick Tank', my all-time favorite car. First saw him at Dover 68'/69'. Won most of the $tock Eliminators their. 1962 Dodge Wagon G/SA 383/343 dual-quads. Not the cleanest car on the block, but man could that wagon run! I think sometimes he would swap on a 4-barrel, to run 325HP, and get down a class (if need be).
    Don't know if this is true, but I heard he found the car in the back of a used car lot
    in upstate New York (Joe lived in Hopewell Junction, 20 minutes north of me), the car supposedly was sitting their for awhile, unwanted.
    Anyone know, if that is true?
    Paul
     
  26. Paul Ceasrine
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    Paul Ceasrine
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    from Wilton, CT

    X-Tech Man,
    You are right on.
    The only 1962 Mopar wagon that fell into the 10.50-10-99 wt/hp bracket with the 383/343HP was the 62' Dodge Model 440 9-passenger. Weight of 3608 / 343 = 10.52.
    Not a good weight-break choice for 1967 (at the high-end of the class (9.50-10.59), but in 1968 when the weight breaks were set at .50, that was one desired vehicle!!
    Twin 500-cfm Carter AFB's, and a .445/.445 solid lifter camshaft. In 69' G/SA, they
    were 'killer wagons'.
    Paul

    1968 when NHRA re-classed everything by .50
     
  27. Paul Ceasrine
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    Paul Ceasrine
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    from Wilton, CT

    X-Tech Man,
    You are right on.
    The only 1962 Mopar wagon that fell into the 10.50-10-99 wt/hp bracket with the 383/343HP was the 62' Dodge Model 440 9-passenger. Weight of 3608 / 343 = 10.52.
    Not a good weight-break choice for 1967 (at the high-end of the class (9.50-10.59), but in 1968 when the weight breaks were set at .50, that was one desired vehicle!!
    Twin 500-cfm Carter AFB's, and a .445/.445 solid lifter camshaft. In 69' G/SA, they
    were 'killer wagons'.
     
  28. WagonKiller
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    oh i like that it's homely and quick!
     
  29. running bear
    Joined: May 24, 2010
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    running bear
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    Hi Guys, I've been looking at this site for over two weeks and got to say it is soooo cool! I have got to go through my pic's and post them too. But first, does anybody have any pic's of Ken Worrell's 52 Olds? I think it is the one I had back in the day. I have the reciept from when he sold it to Sonny Freedman in 68. It might have been painted a different color from the pic's that I posted. Does "Puff the Magic Dragon" sound familiar?
     

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  30. Paul Ceasrine
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    Paul Ceasrine
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    from Wilton, CT

    Mr. Captain Colesy,
    Thanks for showing your 'magic photo's of Joe Kenney's Trick Tank.
    I was young, but I remember when Joe got to the starting line at
    Dover (with the wagon) he would stage, then back up about a foot or so
    as the lights went down, then launch catching the light perfect.
    Amazing I can remember that from 68/69. Of course Dover was not using a Chrondek system at the time.
    A look at his engine compartment would not impress anyone either, it looked like
    an oil-filter exploded in there. Still could crank though, when Dover would occasionally abandon the National Record break-out rule in $tock Eliminator, he would run 3/10's under the record.
    Paul
     

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