SCREW EM! I'll resort to several rattle cans of my favorite primer! They won't rain on my parade. I'll still be out there doin' what I love!
As soon as they hear there is such a thing as water-based paint available, that's all we'll be able to buy.
hmm how long does rage gold or bondo last if not opened.......same goes for paint. i'll stock up before i give up....i have a shaker. or we'll just have to find a way of getting a good smooth shine from house paint .
Water-based automotive paints have been available for some time. So I'm not sure that's true. But you can bet they'll be moving to reduce/eliminate VOC emissions over time. That's the big area of concern.
At the risk of sounding like a tree-hugger, I've seen a couple of small shops that really needed to get cleaned up. I mean clearly dumping old paint/solvents/oil down the drain, spraying like fiends outside (with other shops next door catching the overspray) just sweeping all of the bondo dust out the door, letting trash blow around everywhere, dumping motor oil behind the shop etc. It's those shops that are giving those guys ammo to get these restrictions in place. It's those guys (low-to-medium volume rural "commercial" shops) they're probably targeting, but unfortunately it will effect the hobbiests too. If we do a little "self-policing" and try to make some effort to keep our own stuff clean, it'll give them much less traction to get legislation passed. Maybe they could do some kind of system like we have here in Tx. for doing electrical work on your house. You don't have to get approval or be a licensed electrician to to upgrades yourself, you just have to get a building permit and then have an inspector come out and sign off on your work. You could get a paint permit good for x number of days, and you're good to go. Something like that would allow the hobbiests to continue, but put pressure on real shops that actually do enough volume to have an environmental impact to clean up their acts. Sorry to sound like a tree-hugger, but their is some merit to what they're saying, we just need to help them make sure they target the right people and not blanket everyone that wants to work on their car.
"WHEN BONDO IS OUTLAWED - ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE BONDO we all know what happens when the government get involved. anyone with cash can get licensed. couldn't cost more than 50-60 grand to comply!!! no worries till its to late I'm still using stuff I bought 10 years ago, I guess I should start buying more haha although I laughed when they said they were going to ban high performance vehicles in the 60's and damn if they didn't do it. lower octane gas, higher insurance, lower compression motors. but low performance doesn't sell well. so were coming back to 500 horse motors on the show room floor. and what ever happened to lead based paints. as long as we are willing to change there will alway be black primer
Real hotrod paint of the future: http://www.jnkproducts.com/metal-roof-paint.htm Anyone already use it? On anything? Ford's were painted with black pigmented varnish till 1925. Varnish sucks any more so I'm not suggesting it as an alternative, but, I'm just saying what cars are painted with has never been a constant.
Read it carefully, it's not just California but nationwide, superceding any state or local regulations. And it's not tree huggers, it's big shops trying to get the government to shut down any and all alternatives to their services. It's a real danger to the little guy. Anyone notice any tendency for the government to NOT cooperate with big business lately? We're loosening pollution restrictions on everything from power plants to Ethanol plants but saving the world by keeping us from spraying a car every few years in our garages? Give me a freaking break!
Yes Virginia, there are still hippies. I see 'em all the time, reeking of patchouli and marijuana, with dirty feet and dirtier hair, cargo shorts and tie-dye T shirts using their "lifestyle choice" as a rationale for loose mores, casual drug use, laziness and the shirking of personal responsibility. That aside, you can take a cue from the hippies of the 60's and 70's and protest that which you feel is unfair or not in your best interests. Therefore, if you're concerned about government intrusion via federal agencies (the EPA for example) you need to contact your duly elected representative and voice your opinion. And remind them that they need your vote to be re-elected. You did vote, didn't you? BTW - "Corporate fascist" is an oxymoron. Corporations are soley held by private individuals, ie. shareholders, who invest private monies in the hopes of increasing their investments. Money drives the corporate world. Fascism is totalitarian rule under which no manufacturing, banking, agrarian, or other concern can be held by the private citizenry. All economic concerns are held and controlled by the government, of which, the people have no voice. The fascist government rules the fascist world.
"Fascism is totalitarian rule under which no manufacturing, banking, agrarian, or other concern can be held by the private citizenry. All economic concerns are held and controlled by the government, of which, the people have no voice. The fascist government rules the fascist world." On the contrary, you are thinking of Socialism. No less a Fascist than Mussolini said that Fascism is the perfect marriage of government with industry, each working to make things easier than the other. Popular usage has muddled the difference between the two, in reality they are opposite ends of the spectrum, each just as bad in its own way.
As long as I can buy a gallon of Rust-O-Leum (some hardener if I pray, or stock up real good on the hardener before it's outlawed) and mineral spirits to cut it with, I will be able to lay down some color on my ride, granted, it could not compete with PPG, Ditzler etc.. But It will still color my ride, although it may be International red, or perhaps Allis Chalmers orange. Either way they are go fast colors! Too keep Hamb type folks from painting a car at home, you would have to outlaw thinner from hardware stores, and brush type oilbase paint like Rust-O-Leum from the hardware store as well! So, are the intended new laws supposed to go that far?
Hell, if things won't really atart to fall into place until well into of after 2007, I got planty of time to start stock piling gallon cans of filler and color. I have a nieghbor who works for Lowes, so I'll just put a Lowes interior paint label on them and all is goooood. Vance
I went to the hardware store to buy a gallon of white alkyed enamel to paint my house window panes with and there wasn't any gallons. they pulled tem off the shelf the night before because they are "banned" but they had a few quarts, at quart price of course They told me quarts would be gone too in a couple months. No wonder so many people are yanking out their wood sash windows and putting in thos cheezy looking, guaranteed to self destruct in 15 years, vinyl window...
This has been going around for awhile. No.1, like somebody said earlier, don't think PPG, Dupont, their jobbers, and others will take this lying down. I read somewhere that a sizeable portion of their products are sold to DIYers. SEMA and all the other clubs and associations will get involved also. Who has a more powerful gov. lobby, PPG, Dupont, etc, or Maaco? No.2, I also read a statement somewhere from the Queen Bee of the EPA that they are trying to work out details for the hobbyists, i.e. restricting the amount you can buy to a certain amount in a given time period., say 2 gallons every so often.What they really want to crack down on is the guy painting a car a week out of his garage as a side job. But we all know what it's like when the gov. gets their mitts into something. And don't think Rustoleum as we know it will always be around. I've heard they're working on a waterbase. And those AutoAir watercolors still require a conventional type clearcoat. Bob
Wait a minute! Government giving preferential treatment to a small group of business owners through public policy? And that same small group of business owners shaping public policy in their financial interests without public debate and accountability? Sounds like business as usual. It works for the corporations on the national level. Why not try it on the state level?
DrJ: Your post is implying that waterbase housepaint is going to be illegal as well? I find that very difficult to believe, even in California..... Ya I know, all the crazy chit begins in California!
Nothing implied about waterbase, or intended to be at least. Just can't get oil base enamel. you know the only kind that will keep the caulking on the windows long enough to even finish the painting job? About Varnish. I varnish the bed of my truck and use "real" varnish, but for the last 4 or 5 years, the SHIT they sell now foams up and washes off like so much soap residue about a month after putting it on! I figure they will do the limited thing for 'hobbyists" but you know who's gonna pay for the book keeping! I'm not being my usually paranoid when I think the only way they can limit home use is to register users, (like methadone drug users, or Jews in the fatherland?) and then they know who you are and you no longer are under the radar, and they may pull "code enforcement" searches on your property, etc. I have a sandwich baggie with three batteries and a burned out fluorescent light bulb in it waiting for a reasonable system of "recycling". You know it's against the LAW to toss that battery out of your flash light or ghetto blaster now don't you? Last week they had a "toxic waste" recycling day in the parking lot where the Long Beach Swap Meet takes place. (I missed it...) You're supposed to drive all your paint thinners and hearing aid batteries over there and wait in a very long line of cars for who knows how long, wasting gas and polluting the air all the while, and of course if they want to ID you they have your license # right there, so if you take some really nasty stuff or go back repeatedly, you probably go on a surveillance "list". Soon it'll be easier to buy ammonium nitrate than it is to get a can of Krylon.
Wonder what this would do to the little community college bodyshops and other technical schools? The parts stores here that sell paint would hav eto quit selling it, theres only maybe 2 "real" body shops around here. Looks like I'll have to bust my ass to try to have a "real" shop instead of a little one car garage behind the house!
"I just hope most of the crazy shit stays in Californey, and out of Kansas!" That's not the goal as per the quote below: "the national rule will supercede any state rules shops face related to refinish process compliance."
So we do, what we've always done. Stay one step ahead, and negate anything they throw our way. People should realize the only power the MAN has is the power we give him.
I think it's funny that everyone is bitching about the who and the why, but I've only seen 2-3 comments on here about anyone actually DOING something about it. I don't care how much you hate hippies, fascists or the government. Don't like the law? Change it. Write your congressmen or call 'm up, but quit preaching to the choir.
Here's the letter I wrote. Feel free to plagarize! I am one of your constituents in Chicago and i wanted to bring something to your attention. As I understand it, the Environmental Protection Agency is working on measues to make it diffifult or impossible for small shops and home hobbyists to acquire paint, body filler, and other materials needed for minor body work. Here is a link to the story: http://www.abrn.com/abrn/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=196423 As a classic car enthusiast and hobbyist, I am very concerned. It seems like the driving force behind this action by the EPA is lobbying by large, wealthy businesses. I understand that one reason for the law is to control environmentally wreckless shops, but the propsed laws will not affect them, but will adversely affect small shops and decent Americans, who enjoy their freedoms responsibly and try to keep pieces of American history alive by keeping older vehicles around for everyone to enjoy for years to come. Please investigate this issue and stop it before more of our hard-earned freedoms are taken away. Sincerely, Joe Wislar
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