I was listening to an interview on Wisconsin Hot Rod Radio, they were speaking with a person who was having trouble getting his motorcycle approved for registration. He built it from swap meet parts and new old stock bits. The frame was an old build from a company in California. As the inspector was leaving the garage, his parting comment was "Ya know those guys who are building T Buckets? They're done!! The state of Wisconsin (after we managed to convince the DOT not to enact Trans 123) is re-interpreting the old regs from Trans 305 to deny home built cars licensing. here is the show with the interview. http://www.wisconsinhotrodradio.com/whrr051207.mp4
i wish these govt types would realize our taxes pay their salaries they work for us we dont work for them , stay out of my yard stay out of my life and stop making worthless laws sheesh
You'd think they could understand that guys building T-buckets end up with cars that are safer than a good number of cars on the road. People that don't think twice about their tire pressure, drive around on bald tires with squealing brakes, brake lights and turn signals burned out, texting, eating a cheeseburger and yelling at their kids while driving...those are the ones that are a danger to the driving public, not car guys. What's so hard to understand? Car guys take care of their cars.
Someone in the State DOT has a bug up their pooper about complying with NHTSA. To get hobbyist plates, you have to provide all docs and take a bunch of pics to submit. And that is no guarantee you will get registered.
Has the National Tbucket Aliance been involve on the state issues. And does the state allow you to purchase an old title to use on the home built cars. We're pretty luck here in Indiana, and I think it's because of the involvement of our car clubs and the Indiana Street Rod Assoc. They work their butts off to keep things cool here.
This would be devastating! I have been working on my '27 for 6 years now and am nearing completion, and now THIS??? I am going to be royally pissed if I cant register my "T" because I built it myself, and it has a fiberglass body.
I wouldn't make any generalizations about all T bucket owners being safer than the average Joe motorist. I have seen some T buckets that I wouldn't ride in. In fact I owned one once. It was built as a show car in 1962. Beautiful car with a nailhead, 2 fours, jag rear and Boranni knock off wire wheels. It needed some lovin when I got it and the first thing I realized was the steering was pure death trap and it only turn one direction. I worked on a local lezzies T bucket, she don't know squat about cars or what's safe. It was obviously a car built by someone who had experience, but also built to sell, nothing about that car I liked, except it was red. No different than any other built car but just sayin....well, how do those dmv people know the cars we build are properly engineered and not dangerous to other motorists?
well, how do those dmv people know the cars we build are properly engineered and not dangerous to other motorists? ****************************************************************** Simple. They're infinitely wiser than a bunch of stupid voters. Ask any of them. They are 'gifted'.
I get real incensed when this "DMV" subject comes up. I have a sister-in-law that has recently come into her own: Recently, she has secured management position with DMV, and asserts authoritarian quotes like "Cars are not private property. You people have got to realize that they are under the jurisdiction of the 'Department', and our decisions are final." I have a 'glass '27 among my other steel cars, and can just imagine where this can go. California's smog, global warmth, and all the rest of the inane laws that keep coming up defy common sense. Next thing will be a roadster helmet law.
You're right, no doubt there are some dangerous home-built cars out there, but a lot of the time the guys building them and registering them for the first time are putting their own butt in the seat and care about the car being at least somewhat safe. If the state is worried about safety, all they have to do is require a safety inspection. Car meets their requirements, it passes, and you're done. Outlawing a type of cars because there are a few unsafe ones out there is crazy, especially when there are a load of totally unsafe factory-built cars on the road due to owner incompetence.
Same broadcasters experienced first hand "How the State will dictate what's required and whom will determine if it's even title-able" with his 66 Barracuda that he's owned for 20 (?) years"! According to to reports so far the States cracking down on the Dune Buggies, T Buckets, as well as any other home built and kit car/motorcycles... tracing it's build origin right back to the source of the vintage motors and chassis sellers. CurtR from the HAMB is heading this problem with State officials this week and will report back to us soon! So hang tight and wait until he let's us know which direction to go.
Bucket owners have had this problem in Australia for some years now, most all states only allow 'club' or 'limited' registration with an engineers report only. Several states are actually pushing for this same thing on ALL modified vehicles, original steel or glass! It's not getting any easier here.
You have a Governor and some politicians who think they were coronated not elected. What you are seeing is a complete power grab. Unite the rodders and sign the recall petitions that are coming. Or you will have no rights left. I expect we are gonna see something similar in Mi. we have a governor who started off talking about sacrifice then said he was too good to live in the mansion we provide it would only cost a few million to make "HIS" mansion secure! They think they are "special"
the guy that said this,, he needs to "be done".."As the inspector was leaving the garage, his parting comment was "Ya know those guys who are building T Buckets? They're done!!" quoted from Lordairgtar's post[/U
We are trying to organize so we can help out. please check out the traditional car club association thread
It's just my opinion, but I don't think it's a safety thing at all. I think it's the greenie-weenie, "old cars cause global warming" bullshit that the uneducated general public swallows, and then regurgitates, more and more every day. It's a bid for votes--- "look everybody!!!! I saved the world single handedly by taking all those DIRTY,,NASTY,,STINKY ol' cars off the road!!!! and... the by-product in their feeble, one dimensional minds, is that we'll all be FORCED to buy "environmentally friendly" econo-shitboxes instead. EDUCATION is the key. The rodding organizations are constantly having to re-tell, re-educate new crops of politico-retards that we are NOT building ozone-depletion machines, that we are NOT the root of all evil, and that we are not building our enthusiast level machinery in leiu of buying a new car. my $.02
I have heard that guys with box tubing frames are having a hard time registering their cars in California too.
Hey, Mike; This may stir the pot - unintentionally, but... I'd guess her attitude & tone of voice was snotty/condesending, (sp?), but what she told you was the truth. If you can get/keep an open mind & have a (or can get/establish a) decent relationship w/her, allow her to either shoot off her mouth, &/or dispence a lot of info. If she actually will share, you won't like what you hear, but it'll hopefully start to open your eyes. & this is literally the tip of an unbelievable large 'n' ugly iceberg. It is something that *we* can correct - if *we* (meaning: I, you, etc - *individually*) want to. I'd bet that not one in 1 million does. I'll not go into to much here, as unfortunately everything comes back to a/the political choice you made, & is being enforced as your wish. & I sure as hell don't mean Democrat vs Republican. & Ryan doesn't want political rants/etc on here - for good reason. But if you don't believe me, just for "chuckles", look up the *legal* definition of: (A Blacks' 4th edition law dictionary should be a good start.) Driving License Certificate of Title Attorney BAR (Hint: *NOT* Browning Automatic Rifle) & maybe STATE vs Republic of____ or Commonwealth of_____ & NO, I'm *NOT* a member of the BAR, nor in the legal profession. The reason I posted on this, was to give you some insight as to why she said what she did. If you want more info, PM me only, all I will do is direct any of you to a couple of sites. YOU can do the homework you need to. I'm not involved w/any, except that I'm learning all I can. I'm tired of the bullsh_t, bitching, etc. HTH. Marcus...
Nope... Actually started way before him... Car people are a target of every environmentalist in the world that so happen to congregate in Madison!
If you...and your club, or organization (statewide) have a history of benefit shows, and a pro-active safe vehicle plan (among other to-the-good activities) Upon notice from "dis-interested third parties" who write letters in the papers indicating their appreciation, then They, (DMV) will back down. In the early '70's we had a vehicle inspection brouhaha locally. Any of the above may make difference.
They wont be happy until were back to horse and buggy, than they will bitch about the green house gas coming from the rear end of your horse.. their stance has crippled the economy here, and the production of any industry, and any new power plants and refineries. Kill it before it grows comes to my mind, but its probably too late for that. so may of these self appointed "saviors of the day" just dont get it, as they sit in their house full of things that were made by another country and its economy, and with products they are trying to ban..
Problem is, the black/white factor of DMV. They look at you like you have three heads when you tell them you built the chassis yourself. It's really crazy to them that you may have parts in your garage, and you didn't technically buy every thing you needed to build your car. Their head would pop off if you tried to explain that you traded some work or parts for parts. Their mentality is that you bought your project in some sort of box and should have all receipts. Like a model kit at the hobby store. It really does HURT our hobby BAD!!!
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