This may be old news to some of you. I was made aware of a site that lists sources of Non Ethanol fuel in the USA and Canada. The site is pure-gas.org . I always use non Ethanol gas when I can find it in my old cars and power equipment. This site is handy when you are traveling outside your normal city or state.
We are lucky. In this small town we have 2 stations that offer non ethanol gas. One is regular which adds about 50 cents and one is premium which adds about 80 cents over the ethanol regular. Today Corn gas is $2.93 gal.
Ya. Search in California. Not many available for the real estate ca takes up. I think it was 22? Stations.
Walk I guess ….. I’m not minimizing your challenges. I do understand in some areas any gasoline can be a challenge. The APP may be incomplete as well. Maybe not for the 87 Octane. I buy 91 Octane for all my old cars / tracks. For my High HP Cars, I buy a 5 gallon can of Cam 2 to mix a gallon or two in 91 as they sit longer at a time. You can also check the major Brand websites that might have additional stations listed. Just a suggestion.
In fairness to the link mentioned, I’m guessing “pure gas” contains no ethanol at all. There’s (I’ve read) some wizardry involved with like E10. My local pumps all say “may contain ethanol “. But doesn’t mention how much/little etc.
In Oregon E10 (10%) is required by law for all gasoline but there is an exception for 91 octane premium non ethanol in a separate hose, why, I don't know. The local volunteer fire department showed me a document stating that they recommended non ethanol fuel in all mission critical equipment especially two stroke engines. They also said that alcohol fuel could go bad in as little as 3 months and could absorb large quantities of water. I am sure there will be arguments galore over this, run whatever you like. This was just intended to put out the website for help in locating the fuel if you wanted it. No argument here please! Thanks, Mark
Have one about 2 miles from the house. Pure gas costs the same as mid grade with ethanol. I use pure gas in everything around here that has a carb. It doesn’t draw moisture from the air when it sits in a vented container like a gas tank. It also has to have its own dedicated hose by state law.
BUC-EEs on I-45 in Texas has several pumps with non ethanol They are around 30 miles from Galveston Isle, lots of boats on trailers get fuel there I drained the 10% ethanol gas from my 65 as it would not start after 3 months sitting The fuel smell was horrible and I poured a bit on a brick and it would not burn when trying to light it My Holley was corroded inside, the fuel bowls had what looked like dirt in them The squirter needle under the squirters was a pain to get out 2 years earlier, with an Autolite 4100, sat a bit over 2 months, the boooter tubes corroded They split between the holes in the tubes and the floats were green Am now using Star Brite Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment and a bit Marvel Mystery oil Start at least once a week as well Ricky.
No regular stations in enhanced areas (enhanced=smog), only race fuel places with 5 gal pre filled containers. The other places are by regular racing (boats, M/C) areas.
Pure-gas.org Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada Works in the US or Canada It shows 299 stations in Oregon with Ethanal Free gas. Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada If that works as some links only go back to the main page. This being their main page. I get non ethanal for my lawnmower, wood splitter and other small engines at the Conaco in town along with the requisite pop and burrito. When I was over in Poulsbo Wa. with my sailboat I met a guy with a restored 32 Packard Roadster who pulled up with couple of 5 gallon gas jugs and bought gas from the marina and filled the tank in the parking lot and then filled the jugs and headed off home. meaning that a lot of marinas have non ethanal gas but you would have to haul it to the car.
Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida each have over 1000 stations. That may be in part because of the number of trailered boats in those states.
I have not seen one in over a half-a-decade, and that one was 300+ miles from my home. Sure, you can buy a can or a barrel from a race fuel supplier, but that's not viable for anything but a track car, if that.
Yup, and that is out-of-date, too. For me, none of those would be viable for having a car that was not upgraded to run on E10.
From what I have researched - I stand corrected. It's like a game of Poker in California. Most Stations from what I've looked into specifically the pump pictures states..... "All fuels may Contain 10% Ethanol " So - my bad in my original statement. Pure gasoline considered RV fuel there from what I can see. - for lawn mowers, chain saws, etc etc. and stupid more expensive which is totally ridiculous. Makes a bit more challenging for people that want to get just good old pure gasoline for their classic car / truck.
That’s the part I don’t get, it seems if you were leaving something out, like lead or ethanol, the gas would be cheaper since it didn’t have to go through the additive process. Doesn’t work that way though, they charge more for what’s not in it.
Great website! I have to drive a total of probably over 200 miles a year to the closest one listed to gas up. Hopefully some greenies will read that and see how stupid most of our bureaucrats are!
Lead was taken out of gas around 1974 if my memory is right. So before I get reports of politics on this, I'm not going to delete it, but let's NOT make it political. It's more logistics on refinement / supply and demand. While we think our classic cars/ trucks are the most important thing, they are not due to the sheer volume of new cars today that have no issues with E10 / E15 or E85. We old fellas just have a find a way to make it work for our old stuff.
Kitplanes had an article on using mogas or auto gas in an airplane. Ethanol free gas is safe where as gas diluted with ethanol may cause carb ice that is bad news in the air. Shell 91 or higher was reported to be ethanol free. There are test kits to determine if there is ethanol in pump gas. pure-gas.org list Shell as ethanol free but not the grades.
Yes, 1974 was the year that we were getting ready for 1975 year model cars that would be coming out in August/September with catalytic converters. Lead would "poison" the catalytic converters was what we were being told so it had to go. When lead was removed the fuel had to modified to increase the octane rating using something other than lead and some of the solutions were way worse for the environment than not having a cat. Look at MTBE and its effect on the water supply, BAD NEWS. The same applies to removing alcohol from the fuel we are using now, you can't just remove one component without re-formulating the blend to achieve the proper burn ratio so that is why it is so damn expensive. Alcohol is not what is so bad for our old cars provided the rubber or in the case of boats, fiberglass tanks can tolerate it. The problem for the old cars is the water that is held in the fuel by the alcohol and the rust and corrosion that is created. New cars that run on E10 have stainless steel in the injectors, fuel pump, fuel lines, etc. and sealed fuel systems to prevent moisture from the atmosphere getting in.
It has become common. You cannot get pure (ish) gas in the town I live in but you cannot get premium here either.
Don’t forget: 1. Lawn mowers 2. Snow blowers 3. Chainsaws 4. Mini-bikes 5. Motorcycles 6. Snowmobiles 7. Outboard motors Sure there’s many more that need a “special” drive (in my case, 20 mile round trip), to get pure gas that’s needed for them!
Supply and demand I can understand. A lot less gas used in yard and recreational use than on road use for sure. So naturally the larger supply would be ethanol gas. Also understandable that there would be more pure gas usage in a rural setting, lawn equipment, tractors, chain saws, etc, that there would be less need of in the concrete city. Refinement, I don't understand. I guess it depends on where in the blending process the ethanol is added in on how easy it would be to leave it out. Maybe the gasoline itself is blended differently, I don't know, I don't claim any knowledge on it. My thoughts on it should be cheaper to leave it out than add it in are just that, my thoughts. And Cob has a good point, we just have to figure out how to make it work for us. If that means going to fuel systems made from different materials, that will still be better than not being able to drive our stuff at all. We may at some time have to give in and trade some traditional stuff for more modern, like carbs for FI, no matter how much we dislike it. If it will keep some of us around for a longer time due to less pollution in the air, it's probably worth it. For most of us, anyway.
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