Non oxygenated fuel in KC area

I will be in the Kansas City area for the "Cadillac & LaSalle Club" Grand National July 13th through the 17th and was wondering on the availability of Non-Oxygenated Premium fuel in the area.
In Minnesota the MSRA publishes a list of stations four times a year.
All information appreciated.

 

Wow... I didn't realize we had an option!

 

So, there are no HAMB people in Kansas City area? You don't drive cars that burn gasoline? There is no ETHANOL in the fuel so you never heard of it? You can only get what the stations have and as a consumer you have no choice anyway?
You don't reply to a member that has Cadillac?
I raced the car I'm taking at Mo-Kan last year.
Someone must know what you're putting in your fuel tanks.

 

Woah,woah easy greezy! I have never heard of non-oxymagated whosywatits, but, I would like to know where the Caddy show is please!

 

http://www.epa.gov/oms/oxygenate.htm

The site above has a list of all locations etc that require oxygenated fuels.
Pretty much standard across the country.....

 

Well here is the story on this.

MO's pump high octane, high-priced stuff SHOULD NOT have ethanol in it, BUT it may b/c of the prices of both ethanol and the base stock gasoline could make it economical to mix it in the 92/94(??) octane base stock.....

MO removed from our statute having to post on the pump what the ethanol content is which does no more than to CONFUSE the issue. (I.e., we can't pick and choose!!)...

This is really funny b/c now that the Corn Growers Ass. is brewing more ethanol than the gasoline distributor/bulk plants can mix into gasoline to create gasohol.

So they want the EPA to up the percentage to 15 percent BUT since the auto makers are baulking on this b/c their older cars aren't certified to last long term on it, this will boil down to labeling ALL pumps for percent ethanol content.

We really need to DEMAND the end of the right at 54 cents/gallon ethanol production subsidy and drop the right at 50 cents/gallon tariff on imported ethanol.

Brazil can produce ethanol 30 percent CHEAPER than we can using sugarcane, BUT we can't economically import it now!

Go figure and this is driving UP the cost of FOOD for everybody!!

pdq67

 

Here is my thoughts:

 

Thank you for the reply.
The Cadillac & LaSalle Club Grand National is at the Doubletree Hotel in Overland Park KS from July 13 through the 17th. The trailer queens show up on Friday for Saturday judging.
Our '60 DeVille flattop will be the one with the exhaust cutouts under the front fenders and a tach on the column.
We hope to cruise down to Hot Springs and Little Rock before taking the by-ways back to the Twin Cities, MN
Good Breakfast and BBQ joint info always welcome.

 

Sounds like he solved the fuel problem, now he's just hungry.

 

I have no idea what has been said in this thread.

 

I got some oxygenated gas coming out of my own tail pipe but not sure about my car.

 

http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxyJune2010.pdf

If you come to Minnesota or Western Wisconsin the above link lists places you have your choice of buying gasoline with or without alcohol. I spend my dough with those who provide the products and services that meet my needs.
My LT1 will run on about anything I put in the tank. My older carb motor cars like as much straight gas as possible, especially in hot weather. Less fuel percolation.
We have stations that have 100, 108 octane fuel at their pumps. If your hot rod needs a little extra octane to be happy, you can get that. If those choices are not in the KC area then I'll make it run on what ever is at the closest pump. If choices are available I'll spend my money across town with the vendor who has what I want.
That's my story. Choice.

If you can't tell me about your local gas, maybe you know some good places to eat.
Or, is it what ever ma put in the fridge?

 

For the best all around BBQ I would go to Jack Stacks. Here are the locations http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com...roup&ct=more-results&resnum=4&ved=0CDMQtQMwAw My favorite one is the one on 22nd street next to the train station.

 

Did anybody bother to read me??

My friend at work, Tiffany handles MoDNR/APCP's fuel issue's for the APCP so read up!

And I'm presently charged with creating a state rule along with my Buddy Bobby and then rescinding both the KCMO and St. Louis, MO gasoline distribution/gas station rules.

pdq67

 

i dont know about your gas issues, but i do plan on attending the show with my 63.

as far as bbq go, if your in kc check out oklahoma joes, located in the hood at a gas station. good food.

hopefully see ya there.

 

From following GMC BUBBA's post, I can see that KC in not in a mandated oxygenate area. That is good.

pdq 67 is telling us that the fuel distributors can at their discretion put in a oxygenate and no one would be the wiser. Until it eats out the power valve or accelerator pump diaphragm on your Ford or Holly carb. This you will not like. Accelerator pump diaphragm leaks make engine fires.

Thank you Domin8r for the heads up on Jack Stacks. We'll make it there one night for sure. Some sweet BBQ followed by some jazz or blues about makes a fine evening. Especially if it is followed by a kiss from my honey.

ryno, stop by and say HI! I'll be looking for your ride.

I asked and I learned.
Thank you all.

 

and then the truck driver delivering the fuel throws a curve ball and sticks his ethanol blended stuff in the straight fuel hole because he has too much blended to fit in the blended hole. i work for a tanker truck company, yes it happens often, even though the driver has to sign that the product has not been modified (mixed products) for each delivery he makes.

 

Oxygenates have nothing to do with tuning. Oxygenates attack and dissolve non fuel injection fuel line. It eats holes and makes gooey fuel pump and accelerator pump diaphragms. It goes into a vapor state at a lower temperature (Reid Vapor Pressure) causing fuel to vaporize in the fuel line so the pump can't pump it (Vapor Lock) or percolates in the carb where it is at atmospheric pressure, overflowing the boosters in the venturi.
Fuel injected engines pressurize the fuel line to 12psi TBI to 30-70psi Port fuel injection to 2000psi in Direct Injection.
Just as a radiator boiling point is increased with the pressure of the Radiator Cap, approximately 3 degrees F per 1lb of cap pressure, Fuel in a pressurized line is unlikely to vaporize.
Gasoline manufacturers are marketing to late model FI vehicles.
Traditional HAMB type vehicles have carburetors vented to atmosphere and are likely to suffer the ill effects of oxygenated fuel.
You can read the EPA own justification here;
http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/fuels/ostp-3.pdf