Yes, I am FNG and have been lurking. Always enjoy the topics, However today I must ask a serious question. Are the NC HAMBers aware of the new law that took effect January 1, 2008 regarding 35 year and older vehicle registration. Even if you have a clean title the DMV won't issue a new title until the Theft Division inspector has approved the car ( matching numbers, non original parts, etc. ) I spoke with 3 different offices and they are unable to provide written information or a copy of this new law (smells like fish), apparently its up to the inspector or his supervisor to decide what you must have and you are stuck until they decide. Can't drive that 32 for inspection must be trailered or towed and thats just the beginning. DOES ANYONE HAVE A WRITTEN COPY OF THIS LAW??? Thanks, Kevin
They have been doing this a few years now. I was not aware of a new law, They basically come to your house and look the vehicle over, check the vin on the frame and check the engine number to make sure it isn't stolen. They normally only do this with out of state titles or cars that don't have titles. I have a Forty Deluxe tudor that I am having a problem with because the frame is so damaged you can't read the vin due to rust out. They will issue me a one year provisional title. At the end of the year they will assign me a tittle with a state generated number. Where did you hear of a new law?
Just use Google............ http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registrationtitling/AntiqueCustomBuilt.html http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/forms/vehicleregistration/download/MVR55_55a.pdf Looks to be just part of living in society today. Lots of crooks out there and this is what its coming to.
New York has a similar law. Stuff that hasn't been registered for 2 years or more, has to go through a similar inspection process, here is it maned by former state troopers who have had all vestiges of humananity stripped from them. Apparently there is a Asian Mafia based ring of chop shops selling stolen 46 Plymouth parts....... they of course didn't see he humor in that contention. Their primary purpose is supposedly to check for stolen parts and assemblies when "totaled" cars are rebuilt. Had to go through it when my daughter's car got hit. The ins comany tottled it because it was 11 years old. had 800 dollars worth of damage. I had to show reciepts for used parts, and the manufactures origin stickers and reciepts on the after market stuff I bought. It is a pain in the ass but I suppose in some way it serves a purpose. Aside from keeping dickhead retired, disables, and antisocial former cops employed.
If your frame is rusted in front of the cowl and the VIN can't be read, most 35-40 Fords also had the VIN stamped on the top of the same left rail above the rear axle and just about where the back of the front door meets the body. Some VIN inspectors will only look there, figuring anyone stealing an old Ford will only change the number in front of the firewall.
So what you are saying is, do not get rid of the frame on my '31 chevy because it can come back to bite me in the ass. I was going to put a Model a Frame but now that I am looking at the 31 chevy frames, they are growing on me and the fact that this law exists tells me that I should keep the frame that matches my body huh? I move from New York thinking that things would be easier down here. Getting an inspection is a cake walk in New York compared to the Fascist DMV in North Carolina......at least it's a bit cleaner and the weather is nicer.
I have had several customers call me this week. It appears that they do not come by your house you have to bring the vehicle to them. also this seems to apply to all 35 years old or older even if you have a current tagged and titled car you have bought in NC. I spoke with the inspectors and this is a new law as of January 2008, they seem unable to provide a copy of this.
It's the same exact stuff they did with bikes a few years back. They will come by your house or shop unless they are an absolute asshole. You can thank the "glass, body, new frame, crate motor, and call it a 32" crowd for this. And damn someone gave you a link to the fucking DMV's website about it, damn, read it already. The DMV can change their procedures at will, and they do... Here in Raleigh it's only first time registration that you have to deal with it.
You are only partly correct. Vehicles that have been totalled do go through this process. Vehicles that have not been titled for a couple years do not. If they do, it's a really new law that nobody knows about. And if it does exist, I would ask that you provide some guidance to where it is located in the Vehicle and Traffic Law books so I can look it up.
I have Customer who purchased 1968 cutlass 442 with title and tags, last week, went to DMV and applied for new title, got letter to day that No title can be issued until inspected by theft bureau and he provides proper paperwork. All numbers must match on car including motor and trans according to inspector he spoke with or car will get branded title..They may or may not issue new title after he jumps thru hoops. Check DMV website and this applies to all pre-73 vehicles. I think they have slipped something thru without informing the public.
Thay haven't slipped shit through so quit your crying. There are a bunch of people who have been pulling fast ones for a while. They merely want to verify it is what they say it is. Pretty easy really. There are no hoops for the car, they'll take the paperwork and check it against the car then send them on their way... If the paperwork is legit and the car is legit there is nothing to worry about. The worst part is it's not even happening to you...
Kinda reminds me of the proposed bill that got snuck into the Georgia house about the same time. HB 950. It seems like they are making more of an effort to get us off the road. Check it out-http://www.abatega.org/documents/legislative/Letter about meeting to discuss tag.htm
Not Crying, Just want HAMBers to be aware every pre-73 car that needs to be titled in your name WILL require additional paperwork and HAVE to be inspected prior to getting a new title even though you have a title when you purchased it.. I spoke to inspectors at 2 different locations and they have no written rules or regulations to share, so it appears to be what they decide you need.
Additional paperwork? What additional paperwork? If it's legit and you have a legit title then it's merely an inspection. If you built it from parts then it's the same as it has been anyway. Does the inspection scare you? Besides the fact that this has been discussed before the DMV merely made it SOP as of the first of the year. Are they titled and registered? If they're not titled then you'll probably hear from the Dept. of Revenue on that property tax you owe... If the paperwork is done on them then it's no big deal... sounds like you may be trying to pull one over on the man...
ZMAN has his information correct man I have been looking into my options for title of a new build with origional parts and getting a title for my out of state registered A p.u. this speculation shit and all you "sky is falling" chicken littles should get off your asses and do some research, or go through the process and then tell us wtf thanks zman
Just called License and Theft bureau office in Winston Salem, NC. the Lt. on duty said as long as vehicle has been previously titled in NC no additional inspection is required. However, if you bring vehicle into NC for first time NC title than it will need to be inspected. He said they will come to you---- oh no!
The inspectors are pretty nice guys, at least the ones around here. They are not trying to screw anyone over. They just want to see if you're trying to pull one over on them. I dealt with them about bikes a lot. If you're building from parts they like to see receipts. If it's from out of state and has a title, they want to see the number on the title be the same as the number on the car. Pretty simple really...
Are you talking only about vehicles that have been totaled in an accident, off the road for 2+ years and then re-registered? I live in New York and bought a non-running, '46 Chevy 1/2T "project" out of Texas, with a clear Texas title, several years ago. I got it registered immediately, with no state inspection, no cop's inspection, no nothing, except insurance & proper forms, just to make sure everything was OK before putting time & money into it. I've re-registered it every year for the last 3-4 years with no problem and have never had it inspected, nor has it even been a driveable vehicle to inspect during that period. When I re-register any of my cars (7), I don't even fill in the old inspection sticker number on the forms and I receive the new registrations with no problem.
That Chevy frame is a lot stronger than a model A frame,and the difference in firewall to rad shell is considerably different. Why not keep the frame that fits the body? Here's mine,ignore the nonHAMB friendly IFS.
There IS a lot to worry about,by the way all this reads that if you have changed the engine ect. you better have proof of where you got it. Also a local 65 Chevelle guy had the Inspector want to issue him a state VIN and title the car as a 2008!!!! NOT a 1965?!?!?! And he already had a NC title for it......This is going to be a pain in the ass for us all!!!!!!!!!!!
The way what reads? this... <!---------------------------------------------------------------Main Body---------------------------------------------------------------> Antique and Custom-Built Vehicle Registration Process Effective January 2, 2008, the North Carolina Division of Motor Vehicles is changing the procedure for registering an antique or custom-built motor vehicle. Customers who are bringing an antique or custom-built vehicle into North Carolina for first time registration, or who have custom assembled a motor vehicle will be referred to a DMV License and Theft Bureau Inspector. For details on contacting an Inspector in your area click here. Your local Inspector is equipped and ready to assist you with the procedures to properly register your antique or custom-built vehicle. Antique Vehicle-defined as a motor vehicle that is at least thirty-five (35) years old measured from the date of manufacture (currently 1973 and older). Custom-Built Vehicle- defined as a motor vehicle completely reconstructed or assembled from new or used parts. The vehicle will be registered showing the make as "custom-built" and the year the vehicle was built will be the model year. All custom-built vehicles will be branded as "Reconstructed Vehicle." Little known fact... most old cars aren't numbers matching, there are some that have date codes. But if the title to a car is the number on the engine, frame, or body, you need to keep that part with the number. My Buick roadster is on the frame, hence I kept that part with the number.... If you have a car that is titled by a number on engine, you might ought to keep that too.. As for your local guy with the Chevelle, was the original tag on it? Had it been tampered with? I have had no problems with this if you have your shit together, if you put a new motor and the tag has been removed or doesn't actually match the car (there are numerous ways to verify ti) then they may title it as Special Construction/Custom Built/Reconstructed Vehicle. Saying your local guy had a problem doesn't help unless we know the whole actual story. I have a '37 Chevy in the shop right now that has a Custom Built title, when the owners brought it in from Florida it had a Coupe title (it's a sedan) and the tag was on with screws, was no problem to get a title for it. The days of getting one by are gone, it that hurts your feelings I'm sorry for you. The bike guys have been dealing with a lot more for a while, those that didn't see the writing on wall or tried to take short cuts without doing their homework are gonna have to read the rules and go by them. It's really not the hard, or a problem....
Yes that,you are just brushing off the fact that most all of the cars we (HAMBers) build are built from new/scrap/used parts and compltely rebuilt. "Antique Vehicle-defined as a motor vehicle that is at least thirty-five (35) years old measured from the date of manufacture (currently 1973 and older). Custom-Built Vehicle- defined as a motor vehicle completely reconstructed or assembled from new or used parts. The vehicle will be registered showing the make as "custom-built" and the year the vehicle was built will be the model year. All custom-built vehicles will be branded as "Reconstructed Vehicle." How may cars here have the original parts ect.? Would you like your 19 whatever titled as a 2008 Special Construcion?? Not likely... The bikes are easy,you have #'s,MSO's,reciepts ect and no problems I to have done it with bikes. Yes the Chevelle had all the original tags, #'s, and a NC title but had been completely restored. It also had been off the road for a couple years while the resto was done. I dont want my 69 Mustang or my 34 Ford titled as anything but what they are........
Interesting read. I do know that applying for a title for something you bought without a title is a royal pain in NC, to the point I decided to use those vehicles for parts. As far as the guy with the Chevelle, I do know for a fact as the law read December 2007, he would need to have a current North Carolina State Inspection sticker, if he was issued a "current year" title in 2007. The problem with this is that an inspection for a 2007 (anything 96 or newer) is an OBD II inspection on top of the safety inspection, I doubt he has an OBD II port to plug in to. I don't know how they handle this on a "custom built" "new construction" car, never had one come through as an inspector. I was a "inspector" but my license expired 01-01-2008 and I can't renew it till I find another job. However when I do eventually find another job and go back to inspection school I do plan to bring this up. I knew when NC decided cars older then 35 years old did not need any kind of inspection sticker, they would make us pay somehow. Just a few questions about the "piratical interpretation" of the way things work here in NC. SC is looking better every day TopHat
Lived in NC for a very brief time.(4 months). A relative of my wife died and left her a pontiac bonneville. We hasseled around with the dmv trying to get the car registered and a tag the whole time we were there and were never able to get it done. Every time they would say they needed something and we got it and went back they would come up with something else we needed. I was offered a job in Alabama and we moved. Got a tag in Alabama with no trouble. Nc seems to be paranoid.
They are not saying the cars have to be totally original, but you have to have legitimate paperwork that matches the car or you have to title it as special construction. Titling a car this way really isn't any different than a bike. The most you should have to do is get a bond. I've done bikes from old parts and no MSO's not that difficult. So what's wrong with titling it as reconstructed? Thats what it is right? I have to think there is more to the Chevelle story than you know. If it was totally restored, did they have the body dipped? Most people take off the vin plate to dip a car to preserve it. You can tell it's been off as most people just rivet it back on. The vehicle inspection you are talking about (emissions/safety) is a non issue with the special construction/reconstructed/custom built titles. So really you don't know for a fact.... I've been a licensed inspector for the last 20 some odd years...
Early Chevy's have the ID plates screwed to the cowl. At least the pickups did. Funny thing is Chevrolet didn't start putting actual VIN'S on vehicles until 1954 or 55. My truck title is a combo of the date code and engine serial number. When I bought the truck the original engine was gone and had been replaced with a 292 engine. It now has a 402 v8. The only thing on the ID tag is the date code. Go figure that one.
I was not aware that NC had an exemption for that. As I said, the last shop I worked at we never ran across that because we only really worked on new crap. I do know that before NC went to OBD II inspections, the vehicle had to meet "emission standards" for the year on the registration. Back in those days I worked in a "just inspections" type of place, and remember several "glass rods" that had a hell of a time getting past the test, because they had to meet early to mid 90's emission standards. I also know that different DMV "enforcement officers" interpret the laws differently. I do know this for a fact as I have worked in many different counties and had many different "officers" over the stations I have worked for. In my 10 years as an inspector I have seen quite a few "officers" contradict each other. A lot of it depends on what your "officers" "pet peeve is" and how much of a pain in the ass the person that you just failed becomes for that "officer." Just my experience in the Charlotte, Concorde, Salisbury, Monroe areas. TopHat
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