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November 2009 Banger Thread

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by A-zonie, Nov 1, 2009.

  1. flyin-t
    Joined: Dec 29, 2004
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    Jere Jobe did an article back in the 90's on the 94 carb and he said that the power valves in them was designed to enrich a 250 cubic inch engine. Running two of them provided enough enrichment for a 500 cubic inch engine and will provide this enrichment well above 4000 rpm, so you can see the problem with them on a banger. A switch to a different power valve will cure the problem, changing the size of the jets will not. He did not elaborate on which power valve to use, probably because that was his business, building carbs and ignitions.

    Here's a link I just found to another article by Jobe that he did on the 94 and it explains everything. The article I have is in an old SOSS.

    http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/0510sr_holley_94_vintage_carburetor/index.html
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2009
  2. Awesome Bill really. I love hearing the stuff of yesteryear about stockers, hop-ups, gow-jobs, taco wagons, gook wagons, and all the other names you don't hear our cars called anymore. I will have to ask around about Yeager. Where did he reside and what if any club did he run with? Ya know next year it would be nice if the Crow led ya down to El Mirage during a trials weekend so I could meet you and BS/benchrace a bit.-Weeks

     
  3. Thanks again CD-O. I appreciate you educating me some more and the others here.-Weeks

     
  4. ebtm3
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    There was an old issue of the RESTORER, probably in the late 50's with a story about the club if I remember correctly- gave the magazines away years ago, so can't check.

    Herb Kephart
     
  5. Anyone?

    Also, forgot to mention that the flywheel did spin, and it turned the motor over.. but i'm wanting to remove the flywheel not spin the motor. I used two tie down hooks to stop the flywheel rotating. Still couldn't get it off though.
     
  6. Would be cool to see being Edwards AFB is so close to so much history.-Weeks

     
  7. 28A, I not sure I understand what your doing. It sounds like your using two of the flywheel mounting bolt holes to hold your puller. If that is true then I think you just fastened your puller to the crank and not the flywheel. I just removed a flywheel last night and I removed the four bolts and then tap the flywheel with a rubber hammer through the starter hole. I spin the motor by hand 180 degrees and tap again untill it comes off.
     
  8. The photo I saw was of Chuck Yeager standing in front of his residence which I supposed was at or on base at Edward's. There was another car in the photo and I remember a Joshua tree in the backround . It could have been Pancho's Place for all I know. Ask around about Pancho's place. Very interesting story, not car related but a piece of Edward's history not too well known.
    A few years earlier while working at a mine north of El Mirage during the summer I/we saw the first Altitude record set by the X series of rocket? planes over Edward's. Actually we only saw the beginning as it was soon out of sight. It was dropped from a B 36 which circled around over our site. I realize this is not Banger related but some times this stuff sorta shakes loose and fall out of my mind and I want to record it.
    I could go back further to the time when they were building 71 thru Prado and we cruised the "haul" road in a lake's modified with a chevy 4 with a 3 speed and a Ruckstell 2 speed behind it. Some more history for the So Ca guys. The car, lake's modified, was purchased from a used car lot just north of Sleepy Hollow in Carbon Canyon for my buddy by his mother and he was only 14 at the time. 1949
     
  9. Four bolts out.
    Give it a clout.
    Don't force it - use a bigger hammer...
     
  10. good article, really clears up lots of things. the price is definately an attractive point for the 94's. As to the power valve...7.5hg/2 carbs...choose a power valve between 3.5 and 4.5hg as a quick and dirty.
     
  11. If the coil resistance is wrong it will kill the hall cell (trigger) email or call Mel Mallory at FS. He will give you the proper resistance reading. I had this problem and the engine would just randomly fire. It happened twice, first when the parts clerk sold me the wrong coil . He just assumed I was working on a SBC this after I bought a Pertronix kit for a 4 cylinder Mallory from him. The next time the car just died in the tech inspection line and I later found both coil and trigger dead.
     
  12. I wassn't aware it was that easy. I also didn't know that i was just bolting it together either.

    Cheers guys, i'll give it a go and if i have any problems i'll come back here.
     
  13. Heads up for anyone in the Baltimore area. I was intending buying this rolling chassis but the shipping quotes to the UK were ridiculous.

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    It includes an engine and three speed.

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    I was really only looking for the chassis if anyone wants to post it to me for free...
    I just want to help the guy out as he was very patient and an all round genuine bloke. PM me if you want his contact details.
     
  14. shinysideup
    Joined: Sep 1, 2008
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    I replaced my rear motor mounts on my '29 with "float-a-motor" units. I have this weird front mount I have never seen before(on car when found). Anyone have opinions on whether to keep this arrangement and add new rubber or put the stock yoke with springs on there. The least vibration is my goal.
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  15. thepolecat
    Joined: Mar 24, 2009
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    it looks as though someone tried to create their own front float a motor- make sure everything nice and tight before ripping it apart.
     
  16. That strap of iron is a model B front mount. Would have a couple of rubber mounts under each end.
     
  17. Kiwi Tinbender
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    Bother.Thanks to Shane at Taylors, I looked for problems in my newly aquired Banger and found it cracked from the exhaust seat over to the bore in BOTH #2 and #3.....I have known Shane for a few years now thru helping him at Bonneville, and would still recommend anyone to go to Taylors for work, even though we don`t have Jay any more....On to the next engine, I have 4 more to look through.....
     
  18. RichFox
    Joined: Dec 3, 2006
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    And now a word from the UnFord group. An update on the Morton & Brett head. For some reason the two upper/outer head bolt holes were very close to the combustion chamber. Within .020 on one side. So I have had the head built up in those two places to give me something to work with. The chamber is larger than the cylinder bore for some reason, so the new lump will have a surface to seal against. Also you can see the as yet unfinished intake.
     

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  19. BangerMatt
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    My father and I finally got some work done on my new speedster project.
    Progress pics here:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4574700#post4574700
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    Still hasn't DRIVEN under it's own power yet, but it's been running for a few months. Sounds good with the short Smithy's on it, sounded even better with no muffler on it(though I think I pissed off a few neighbors).
     
  20. LSGUN
    Joined: May 26, 2007
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    Very nice! It's funny you bring up the Smithy's, I was going to ask if any of you guys were running one. I love Chris' dual exhaust that he ran all the way back on his A coupe. I was thinking if two 26" or 30" Smithy's were ran it would sound pretty damn good and quiet things down a bit.
     
  21. ebtm3
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    Rich Fox-

    Are you going to do anything to the other two cylinders to equalize combustion chamber volume?

    Herb Kephart
     
  22. RichFox
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    The pistons will have to have such gigantiac domes to make any compression at all that I thought I would just notch those two pistons tp clear the weld and equalize the compression.
     
  23. thepolecat
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    MAtt- you just need to get your neighbors on oard with you- mine can not wait to see my speedster up and running- they keep offering to help finish it.
     
  24. firerod
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    Just plain Bill, I sent you a pm on your manifolds.
     
  25. BangerMatt
    Joined: Mar 3, 2008
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    Oh, they like the speedsters, it kinda sounded like a motorcycle anyway. :D
     
  26. Wildfire
    Joined: Apr 23, 2006
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    I need some pics of tube intakes - fabricated intakes with single carbs preferred. Matt built my header and we're talking about fabbing up an "upside-down" ram horn style intake, with a single 97 on it. So if you got some pics, let's see 'em.
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2009
  27. I do not have any pics of fabricated intakes, but for a little while there was a guy building dual manifolds and selling them on e-gay. They looked pretty decent and he also made them with the intake and header on one single flange if you wanted that too. Might look into finding the fella. He was back east also if I recall.-Weeks
     
  28. Piewagn
    Joined: Mar 25, 2009
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    Ok, my A has been running great after some tweeking, I had her out today after work & noticed black seapage from the head gasket under cyl #3 plug. It's a Lion Speed Head I got from Charlie Yapp. He told me during a phone conversation, to just use the standard Snyder's copper clad gasket, which I did. It seem some compression is getting out between the laminations of the gasket, is this normal, or is my gasket going south?? Last time I had it out I took her on a good run up the highway, with the overdrive I ran her around 60mph for a few miles. I don't have a tach yet, but she was just loafin' right along, ( no over revving ). What are your thoughts on this?? Daddyo??? Rich Fox???? Recommended gasket??? Anyone with input would be greatly appretiated!!

    Jim S.
     
  29. Artiki
    Joined: Feb 17, 2004
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    Have you retorqued the head studs recently?
     
  30. Piewagn
    Joined: Mar 25, 2009
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    Not rescently, but I have several times. The last time I couldn't get any more out of it. I was going to try again this weekend.......
     

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