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NSRA Questions & Answers On The Plus Years

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by NITROFC, Jun 2, 2009.

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  1. Except it was etched in stone during the founding of the NSRA, from their own website;
    The builder of a street rod is not confined to guidelines set down by someone else...he can be his own man, and the street rod can be whatever he wants it to be, as long as the basic vehicle was manufactured prior to 1949.

    And having a description of what a street rod is or isn't is not elitist, it is a definition. You can't change the definition of a truck to include Camaro because you now want to include Camaro's in something.
     
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  2. propwash
    Joined: Jul 25, 2005
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    No sense in beating it to death. Street rods are 1948 and older, street machines are anything beyond that up to the smog years, that has been modified in a performance-enhancing manner. Customs are all of the above that have body modifications and less emphasis on getting from A to B in a rapid manner.

    If the NSRA wants to run their membership out to the later years...lettem do it...they'll have to do it without me.

    dj
     
  3. 48pontiac
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    it's all about the money.
     
  4. bigolds
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    I stand corrected...however I still beleive that the lack of evolution on the part of the NSRA fathers then, should not be held against them. Especially since they are finally starting to show some flexibility. Yeah, I know the NSRA is really all about the money ( they are a business after all ) But after hearing so much comment here at York and reading so many comments on the Hamb, I am starting to modulate a little. Maybe such a large jump is polarizing to so many people. Maybe they should have just done the '72 thing. I guess we'll have to see!!!
     
  5. ROCKET88COUPE
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    ROCKET88COUPE
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    dont care what nsra does,when they said my car didnt qualify for their show(49 olds bubble top coupe,455 olds powered)kinda said it wasnt a real hot rod,but they would let in 48 olds 98s whitch deffently arnt hot rods i thought to myself well that tupperware roadster over there isnt a hot rod either but being polite i just said to myself--self, hell with nsra and that was in the early 90s.still feel that way today and not being so polite in my older years im yelling it at them now, u hear me nsra?
     
  6. gnichols
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    Anyone remember when only US cars were eligible? No Thames / Anglia, etc? I don't, but someone told me about it. I guess after enough of them registered and they were popular enough, the rule just faded away. Gary
     
  7. Demon Seed
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    Now don't flame me here.... I'm just using this as an analogy.

    Those of you who feel the NSRA's decision is a good one and we should welcome the newer cars think about this..... Suppose, just suppose Ryan changed the rules here to include all the muscle car guys and the tuner guys. Would a lot of HAMBers be upset???? You bet your ASS! This is a TRADITIONAL hot rod site.

    It's the EXACT SAME THING with the NSRA. It is (or was) a PRE-49 organization and that's the way a majority of members want it to stay. They don't WANT to dilute their shows with later model stuff just like the members here don't want the muscle car and tuner guys around. As a matter of fact this site is in no way tolerant of those guys here. So one of you please tell me WHY the NSRA members should tolerate or welcome this change and please do it without being hypocritical.
     
  8. trailer-Ed
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    Dude you just nailed it totally. I was trying to think of a way to say the same thing!! Glad you said it!!

     
  9. Shifty Shifterton
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    Because the HAMB is about it's members. The NSRA is about spectator gate money. They have different goals.

    NSRA = public show.
    HAMB = technical resource with some show thrown in.

    Besides, you've seen how many threads a pcv system can generate. It's fairly obvious that despite the HAMBs awesomeness, if we were collectively familiar with the last 40 years technology, there'd be no stopping us.
     
  10. Bettlejuice
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    Yep, and not to mention on the HAMB everyone is viewed sorta equally... If I was to try to become a member of the local NSRA club, they wouldn't even take the time to laugh in my face, they'd just continue talking about how much their March pullies cost them and pretend I didn't exist. Hell, if I go to a show now, they DO pretend I don't exist (really, how many times do they need to pat each other on the back with the same lame trophies for the same lame guys every time?). The HAMB offers lots of benefits to us younger guys, not only that, it is welcoming to us, and like I said I will become a PAYING member of the HAMB shortly because of it. MAYBE the NSRA should pick up some pointers from Ryan and the HAMB!

    Shifty, the more you say, the more I agree with you!
     
  11. primed34
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    I've been a member of the NSRA since '72, but not much longer it seems. The NSRA was started as pre '48 deal. For the record that wasn't a porno movie at the '76 Nats. It was home movie from a nudist camp.
     
  12. Demon Seed
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    Providing your a Traditional hot rod guy. If you owned a Gremlin you wouldn't last 10 minutes here.
     
  13. Shifty Shifterton
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    That's really your 9th post? Defining who would and wouldn't last ten minutes here?

    Actually a gremlin owner would fit right in if he/she shares what they know about AMC drivelines and helps out in a general technical fashion. There's a ton of great HAMBrs without traditional rides.
     
  14. Bettlejuice
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    Funny you should say that, another local guy that repeatedly gets the cold shoulder at local cars shows (and the local ones don't have limitations on years, typically) drives a Gremlin... I've literally stood there and heard people stand there right in front of it and make fun of it. I talk to the guy all the time, that 'lil bastard has a, I want to say, 401? CID AMC engine in it. That sucker would blow right by plenty a pastel, ZZ4 powered, 1994 Cadillac power seat'd street rod that one of the "cool kids" owns.

    I can say I've never gone to a show just to see xxxx year cars... I like to see cool cars, period.
     
  15. olskool37
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    What some of the non supporting/leaving members are missing is, they are the ones resposible for "diluting" the show, simple math. 3,000 streetrods show up at a show, 1000 leave cuz the new rule... thats 1000 less streetrods to look at. Wouldnt it make sense to show up in force and back-up your 'group' instead of thinning the herd? I'll admit, I'm a little biased. I have many friends, that have a post '48 customs, that are looking foward to next year. I'll also admit, Id like to see a custom point system incorperated much like the Wheels of Time events. Doing this might weed out the real deals from the fakes. Eh, I dont know....who does... only time will tell. The NSRA wrote the book years ago...whos to say they shouldnt have the power to amend it?
     
  16. Demon Seed
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    That's BS if I ever heard it. Friend of mine has been building a Gremlin for about 4 years now. A couple years ago he made the mistake of joining here and posting about it.....(even though he was warned that this was a traditional hot rod site)..... and the members here flamed him relentlessly up one side and down another. Tolerance my ass.

    And just because I've only posted 9 or 10 times doesn't mean a damn thing. I've been reading this forum for more than 10 years and unless I have something specific to say I don't post.
     
  17. Shifty Shifterton
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    For starters, your buddy posted about his gremlin instead of the technology that went into it. There's a difference. This is not a public car show, it's a tech board with history and car showing mixed in.

    Secondly, doesn't matter how long you read, those 9 posts do mean a damn thing. Once you're here for a while mixing it up with your own thoughts and expertise...that's when the unsolicited PMs start arriving. Want to take your HAMB experience/learning to another level? You gotta get those geniuses to PM you or respond to yours, which requires some degree of name recognition thru posting and helping others. Smart people will only stoop so far to help dumb people after all. Those PMs lead to personal contacts off the main board that work into real-life friendships, mentorships, and general hang-outtery. That's when you'll really understand the HAMB and who "belongs".

    Lastly, a cartoon character avatar, nothing bout your automotive stylings in the sig, no real location...... Oh, and you only help others out with tech knowledge 9 times a decade. And two of those posts are about gremlins and people that don't belong here. You're setting yourself up to not be taken seriously. Anybody reading this board for 10 years would've recognized that.
     
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  18. (prepared for this post by putting on my Nomex undershorts, since my post count is less than 100)

    (slight editorial on the off topic banter)
    I guess I may be crazy, but I see "elitest attitude" from both sides of the fence. The high dollar street rod builder and the traditional hot rod builder. Neither make a whole lot of sense to me.

    For me, it's about driving my '40, having fun in it, and taking the time to talk with folks who express an interest in it, whether they are educated in old cars or not, whether it's at the gas station, Wal-Mart or at an event. For me, it's not the event, but the road trip to the event, that has always been the most memorable. After all "The FUN is in the RUN!!!"

    (redirect regarding the NSRA Rolling 30 Year decision)
    My issue with the NSRA's decision is more fundamental, in that a "Street Rod" was defined as '48 and older, based on the "change" in body style/chassis from '48 and '49. By opening up the events to a rolling '30, it totally re-defines what the organization was founded on.

    Rather than "excluding" the "late model" cars, I would rather see them recognize them under a separate umbrella, such as the old "Street Machine" division, or something that more accurately defines the "late model" cars. They could theoretically have "combined events", but have the registrations separated by '48 and older and '48 and up. Instead of billing it as the "Street Rod Nationals Plus", call it something like the "Street Rod and Street Machine Nationals". It's not that I am trying to exclude anyone, but had they taken some other measures in to how they implemented the change, so as not to sell out the "Street Rod" foundation that the organization was built on. I feel that it would have more than likely met a lot less resistance, and I wouldn't be as fired up about it.

    (slight digression regarding "car shows" versus "rod runs")
    I am not a fan of "car shows." I am a fan of "rod runs." For me, I preferred when the awards that were given were limited to being things like the "Long Distance", "Hard Luck" and game awards. The "award" that I prefer is the satisfaction of driving to the event, looking at cars, hanging out with my friends, and driving home. NSRA events have a mixture of both, and I have always leaned towards looking at the "rod run" side of it.
     
  19. Demon Seed
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    I spend most of my time contributing to other sites where its not blasphemous to speak muscle car. As it happens I started a traditional build about a year ago so that's why I'm here.

    Attacking me instead of attempting to understand the problem NSRA members are having with the 30 and newer decision just tells me that you have a no tolerance for the opinions of the members of an organization you don't belong to. At least you haven't mentioned being an NSRA member in any of your posts on the subject. Are you a member??? If not then your opinions are from the outside looking in and should be given that kind of weight.
     
  20. gnichols
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    Like it or not, the HAMB is FULL of non-hot rods, traditional or otherwise. Stock car threads, oval track threads, board racing, vintage Indy cars, drag stuff, vintage sports cars, customs (are they really "hot" rods?), some vintage aircraft, a few boats, travel tips, how-to's, etc. etc. And that's why I really like the HAMB, the variety and technical expertise.

    If the HAMB was just full of flat black T / A / 32 roadsters with WW, flatheads, skulls / spider webs and pinstripes (ie: a traditional clone versus a jelly bean street rod clone) what fun would that be? Not that skulls / spider webs and pinstripes are all bad...

    Back to the topic, the NSRA was never a club. It's a business and you don't get to vote unless you are on the board. I welcomed the more open show in Tampa, because I like 56 Ford Victorias and 59 Impalas, too. Wonder of wonders, no ricers applied. As a group, car folks have pretty easy time of it already making the owners of certain style cars feel unwelcome. What makes you think a Pacer or 4-door Maverick or Honda would get any different treatment? Besides, don't ya just hate car shows that don't have vendors for the stuff you want? Ever take the 32 to a ricer show? I doubt there will be a big influx of dumb cars. Perhaps a lot of later model Mustangs, Camaros, Trans AMs and GN Buicks? A few 4x4 trucks? I don't think we have much to worry about until NSRA shows look like mini-SEMA shows. Gary
     
  21. I just joined the Model A Ford Club of America with my '37 Chevy! See you Model A guys in Dearborn.
     
  22. Nick32vic
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    I think your overthinking it. What you said is like saying "LIke it or not the fruit stand is FULL of non Granny-Smith Apples. Gala Apples, Mcintosh Apples, Red Delicious Apples.....etc."
     
  23. Deuce Roadster
    Joined: Sep 8, 2002
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    Well, it is what it is ...

    It is their BUSINESS and they can run it anyway they please.


    I believe it is a short-sighted decision and will drive away more rodders than they can pick up ( long term ) but ... I could be mistaken.

    I am a life time NSRA member so I do not have the option to not renew. :eek: My membership number is #20XX ... so you know I have been a member since the very early beginning days. For the events in 2010, I can stay home with my pre 49 vehicle or pay the spectator gate admission and go see what it is like inside. That is my plan ... for Knoxville 2010.

    I actually prefer the NSRA pre 49 events over GoodGuys format, because I do not want to look at a bunch of muscle cars and other stuff. The cruise nights are full of that stuff ( for free ).

    :rolleyes:
     
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