i know this might not be the most proper place to ask but i know its a good place to find answers. im going to school at a community college to get my basics out of the way and then transfer to a four year school. i had planed on transfering to studie industrial design in wisconsin. but finacialy its not going to be able to work, ive tried all kinds of angles and still came up way to much cash. so im looking at other schools that can give me a beter deal cost wise. i know "no price on education" but some of these out of state tuition costs are just retarded. anyways on to my main pressing question. alot of the schools i find with a real expansive art department do not offer industrial design. but do offer design. whats the main differnce going to be between the two? ill try and find a school that has and industrail program but ya never know. im sure it varies from program to program and school to school but over all whats the differnce? tia tim ---car related..... cars gota have good lines = art cars cost money= go to school get a job
Anywhere you go that offers Industrial Design is going to be expensive, all art schoool are expensive..... Industrial Design is completely different than just design, which usually refers to more the graphic side of design, and packaging....art schools don't usually offer just a Design course, it is usually more specific, because there are some major differences between most of the variations...... Basically if you want a profession in the arts, plan on paying a lot of money to gain knowledge.... If youre set on Industrial Design the two best schools for it are in Pasadena and Detroit....pretty spendy schools though.... Im in art school right now (MCAD in Minneapolis) so far I would say it is worth the money....they challenge the hell out of you, no Industrial Design courses however.... PM me if you have questions about art school in general i did some research before i decided where to go i MIGHT be able to help you out a little..... David
If the one David is talking about is Center for Creative Studies in Detroit, it is one of the best in the whole country and if you graduate from there (and have a bit of talent) you can write your own ticket to any career you want. My good buddys son just graduated from there last year and is now working for GM designing concept cars. They took him on about half way thru his studies as an intern. That is something to consider too, that you can work in the field as you go to school. You just need to get your foot in the door. Student loan to start? Work in the field during? You have the talent Tim but you do need that degree, or the prospect of one, to get your foot in the door of a major company now days.
You could look for a school affiliated with another institution. Sucha case maybe Tyler in Philly, associated with Temple. It gives a lot more options. Also keep in mind a good many states only consider you outta state for one year. Then its lower tuition time(provided you change you address - thats how they determine residency.
Also- to get around exorbitant out of state tuition costs- find out what the requirements are for "in state status". Some schools are as easy as registering to vote in that state. Some you need to move to that state and work for a year and don't take classes. This is for state schools. Big difference between 30k and 4k for a year.
You will be better off as an industrial designer than a graphic designer, IMO. I love what I do. But there are alot of unemployed graphic designers out there right now. If I had it to do all over again, I probably would have studied automotive design and gone to school in Pasadena. With the HAMB connection, I'm sure you can move out there as someone's roommate long enough to meet the in-state requirement. It could also be as simple as getting the driver's license with some HAMBer's address, and then apply to school. I'm sure there are a multitude of ways to buck the system. I know in your position, that looks like a lot of money. And it is. It took me 10 years to pay off my school loans. But in the end, it's all worth it. Don't be afraid to take the plunge.
also, another way to possibly help tuition costs is by applying and submitting your portfolio to as many schools as you can....one of them may give you a hell of a scholarship and if it isn't the school you really want to go to a lot of other schools match scholarships so you go to them instead......just a thought.... For a quality art school tuition plan on spending a min. of $100,000 for four years, plus housing, supplies etc.....I'll be paying that and I even recieved a pretty thick scholarship..... I was thinking of going into industrial design as well and was thinking about going to detroit....changed my mind and went into illustration, hope I won't regret it.....
one more thing.....i hope you checked into transfering those credits to the 4 year school you are planning on because most art schools don't like transfering credits from not art schools.....mainly because every class in an art school is geared towards art and you arn't required the same classes as you would if you were getting a degree other than a BFA.....
yeah, im hard core set on industrail design. i realy have no passion or drive for graffic design. and even though every one offers a program for it, i just wouldnt be happy. the search goes on
I went to Cal State Fullerton because I knew they had an amazing art department. Then I began taking night classes at Art Center with the hopes of transferring. It didn't take too long to figure out that you get out what you put in, so in the end, my degree is from Fullerton. Just cuz mommy puts your drawings on the fridge doesn't make you an artist. I burned the midnight oil and constantly pushed myself. I surrounded myself with the top class designers, and was hell bent on leaving everyone in the dust. If you want something bad enough, go get it.
Two of my best friends are Industrial Designers, one went to school in Western Washington and the other somewhere in Cleveland I think. Both are doing well and love what they do. Don't give up on finding a way to make it work. Whenever I need to know WHY something doesn't look right I ask one of them. I can't recall how many times I have heard ; "It's all in the proportions TZ, all in the Proportions" TZ
The Transportation program at Center for Creative Studies is TOUGH to get into. And only the best in the class advance to the next year. I imagine the transportation program at Art Center of Pasadena is similarly tough. But if you want to work for one of the big car companies, you MUST graduate from one of these two to stand a chance. Alot of the people applying are design grads from other institutions.
Ow Yea, my buddy from Washington used to work for a houswares company. I have some really cool prototype wares in my kitchen. He did a stint as a consultant for Peterbuilt once, but I couldn't get any truck parts. TZ
-good point about transfering credits... when I transfered to Stout for Industrial Design they didnt take ANY credits from Community college or tech.
yeah i thought about the transferring stuff, thats why im not going to try and transfer all this stuff as individual credits ill just get my two year thing and it will transfer in whole instead of trying hit or miss with individual credits
tim, as a few others have pointed out ... there is one school which can boast about its industrial design alumni, or any other illustrative profession for that matter... its called Art Center in Pasadena, California... go to their website and check out the work and ciriculum. this school is brutal, and has had yrs to perfect its methods.. be ready to pour over your work for hrs at a time.... thats what it takes. http://www.artcenter.edu/carclassic/cc03intro.html you wont escape huge school loans, ive got friends who are in $150k, but, once you get into the work force and establish yourself, paying this off wont be that difficult.. the school will have people for you to talk with about getting loans and housing as well as the class's you will need to take. i wouldnt let the difficulty level scare you off... sure there are more experienced people attending class's... but that should push you to excellance... worked for me.
MY TAKE< DON"T GO TO ART SCHOOL!!! I went and I did get a hot deal but still owe about 25g's, So unless you have a rich uncle.... Keep going to a CC then do your homework and find out which state U nearby has an industrial design dept. School is what you make of it!! Art Center and all them other art schools are great but, nobody ever states what the artist unemployment rate is in CA. If I were you I'd look into what I really want to do. In your case being here on the HAMB and obviously into rods, learn the basics getting an idea to paper, then the sketch to a 3d model. could be made of mud, who cares as long as it looks good. Build a portfolio of anything you have made. take pictures lots and lots of pictures. BE ORIGINAL!! show your portfolio to the company you want to work with. and blatantly ask them "What do I have to do to work here?" A lot of people never do this or admit they wish they had. In fact a bunch of people here say "o I will never work for the man!" anyhow: Find what you want to do and push yourself in that direction. Sorry about sort of ranting but truth is you really don't have to finish school, a lot of "PROs" never did. There always is a negative to a positive, someone will reply to this. and good luck!!
totaly digging your advice, as its what i was thinking. i took a good two years going over what i wanted after a bad first choice. said i wouldnt waist anymore money till i new what i wanted for sure. this is what i want. im staying at the cc and wanting to transfer to a state u with a program that i can get instate tuition from. its all what you make of it i have alot of talent, but i have a huge way to go and school is how i see that getting done ill defenatly take your advice on just being blunt and asking what it takes to work there im all about doing it your self ive had a whole life of ppl saying now way can you do that. so ive ben doing everything my self and when i get the goal ill turn back and every body who said i could never do it on my owe will get a big "fuck you i did it" with a grin of course hell the 50 was a huge example of that, i havnt got anything and i put that car together in a month for a grand. and ive only got to get a driveshaft issue sorted out tia tim
Tim, I believe (in general) the Automotive/Transportation specific courses offer greater versatility vs. a Product specific major. The transportation design major teaches very specific technique and technical aspects of design communication that differ from the product curriculum. I had a fine arts background then majored in film before I decided to prepare a portfolio and enter Art Center. All the time at the Community College and University years, I had the Art Center catalog in hand to make sure my credits would transfer. Once I was accepted, I was able to not worry about having to take the basics and focus on the design skills. The primary difference the schools such as ACCD in Pasadena and CCS in Detroit vs the other Design-Industrial Design schools relative to transportation design are the instructors. I am by no means putting down the great product schools such as Rhode Island or Pratt, which have turned out some incredible talent, (i.e Harry Bradley). I do not agree at all about not needing to go to school. Especially if you are focused on a career in Automotive design, it would be almost impossible to get a start without an Industrial Design background, that is usually part of the screening. When I am reviewing resumes, that is one of the basic criteria, Industrial Deisgn degree? Product or Trans? The investment is high, but if you work really hard and stay focused you can get a scholoarship to help 50% of the tuition, at least that is what it was when I was attending. Good luck Tim. If there is anything I can help you with in regard to the Automotive design world, send me a PM. I am not on here regularly anymore, so please be patient if I am late on the response. Good luck! Chris
ill be honest, i didnt finish art school... i dont have a high school diploma or a college degree, but i work hard and take what i do very seriously (special FX). with my shite cridentials, i STILL got a job at a major studio doing work that mathematics gurus do... because i wanted it bad enough.... and i had good friends that helped me out. it also meant dropping my car obsession for almost 5yrs and hitting the books. school is what you make of it, ya the job market in CA is crap... but its the same BS anywhere you go. i believe what a focused cirriculum will do is, show you exactly whats needed to be at the top of your game. whether or not you can process the info and make something of it, is up to you. keep in mind, you cant do everything yourself... school is for learning and getting slutty chicks, but most importantly, making connections and building communication skills.
Plan 9, Your last comment is significant. The one thing to remember when you are in Design school, which is incredibly competitive. You need to think about the future, you may be not only working with they guys and gals in your class, but you may also be reporting to them or they may be reporting to you. People will remember how well you were to work with or how much of a pain in the A.... so and so was. It is not just geting your foot in the door and starting your career it is the foundation for your future. There come times when the deciding factor goes beyond sheer talent.
yeah, i agree on the knowing ppl and ect ect. the comment was more or less saying i dont have to have loads of money and have ppl do everything for me to get were i want
Think education is expensive? Try ignorance. Derek Bok Go to school. Go to the best school you can afford. Learn your ass off and pay your dues. The fast track only exists for the top 1% and if you were one of them you would already know it. You are a mere mortal like the rest of us and you're going to have to work and starve and struggle and pay off the loans and deal with debt and unemployment and building a portfolio. I'm not trying to be a dick (that comes naturally), but if you're planning on looking for work without any education, you might consider putting some effort into your spelling. The corporate world tends to pay attention to things like that.
Industrial design tends to be more functional in nature than graphic design (or just plain "design"). In general, functional design is all about problem solving, which tends to be right up a hot rodder's alley...
I studied transportation design at Art Center, but didn't graduate. I worked for 41 years in design, and became VP of Design for 5 companies including Mattel, Tonka, and Hasbro. My experience has been this: - If you intend to land a design job with a car manufacturer, attending Art Center or CCS will make a big difference. The car companies are very degree-conscious, and your choise of school will matter to them. You will also learn specialized techniques in car design that will be difficult to get elsewhere. - There are many other schools with good ID programs: Cal State Long Beach, U of Cincinnatti, RISD and others; I think Stout is among them. But they generally don't offer specialized trans design courses, and this will make it harder to sell yourself to a carmaker. - No school will make you a great designer, and you'll probably never be more daring and innovative than you are now. If you have the passion and the talent, you will create your own opportunities, and this is more important than your choice of schools. If you don't, then even the best school won't make a big difference. My advice to aspiring designers is: only take it on if you want it passionately. If you want it badly enough, you'll figure out how to pay your way.
all good info. im not realy that intrested in working as a car designer for the big dogs. and my first choice was stout but im trying to see what other options ive got. i started looking at schools in chicago, has anyone had any experance or opinions of columbia? still talking back and forth with them seeing if they offer the program-kinda slow response- but it looks like a great school tia tim
I heard that Chicago isn't really know for their support of the arts.....don't know how true that is but it is nice to live in a city that supports what you want to do......makes everything a lot easier...
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