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Projects Oh No!!! It Can't Be...Another Gasser Build? Yup, 1961 Buick Skylark

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by BloodyKnuckles, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. BloodyKnuckles
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    Thanks for the history lesson JJ!

    Thanks for all the replies so far guys, negative or positive.


    Today was another day in the shop. I was able to complete the frame brackets for the lower links and made the coil retainers. It took a long time because I had to space the frame brackets 5/8" so the link bushings would fit.

    Here is another slew of pics for you to be bored with;

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    More tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel.


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  2. Royalshifter
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    Cool longer the better......Fred Teixera told me that if they are mounted around the flywheel area it is bite city.
     
  3. JeffreyJames
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    I'd say he's in good shape then!!!
     
  4. BloodyKnuckles
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    ****in' right doggie!!



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  5. JeremyJames
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    haha he's definately up be the damn flywheel...makes the afx style 31" bars that I'm building for my falcon like match sticks!
     
  6. Shifty Shifterton
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    That's a super cool car and really coming together nice. Congratulations!

    Can I ask a question/make a suggestion???

    In looking at the rear suspension, I'm wondering about that single upper link. High horsepower GM X frame cars of that era actually came with 2 uppers. Not only for strength reasons, but they launch a lot straighter. Remember the whole equal & opposite forces thing, everything that runs thru those lowers sums up and goes back thru the single upper at a point off the car's center. Add sticky tires and some weight transfer (ala g***er) suddenly you've got an unpredictable corkscrew on the launch pad. Even though the lower bars are real long, they're not rigid mounted like a ladder bar or truck arm.

    good luck
     
  7. BloodyKnuckles
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    I've wondered about this also. The Electra came with one upper so I decided to use it. I have also considered making a horseshoe upper arm with one connection point at the axle and 2 points at the frame.

    This may not be the perfect design from the get-go but I'm willing to try it to see.

    Thanks for your thoughts. I do appreciate them.


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  8. Shifty Shifterton
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    Do those long lower arms make an adjustable or relocated upper mount even more desireable for tuning the instant center? I only know enough to ask, not to answer :)
     
  9. BloodyKnuckles
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    I'm no suspension expert. I'm really not sure. I guess we'll see soon.



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  10. lo c dan
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    Structurely does it make a difference you didn't or by the pics, you didn't use DOM tubing for lightning holes. Or maybe I should keep quiet?
     
  11. BloodyKnuckles
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    Don't keep quite. No, it is seamed. Do you think it makes a difference? I could see using DOM as a main structural component but maybe not for the holes.



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  12. Pir8Darryl
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    You gonna run the factory panhard bar?
     
  13. Circus Bear
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    Looking bro. Just my .02, but those sleeves are structural since every one of those holes is a weak point. Maybe a real ch***is guy or a ME will speak up. I'm just a Pollack who barely knows how to walk and chew perogis at the same time.
     
  14. "Bite City" I like that.
     
  15. Shifty Shifterton
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    IMO, not an issue. If you look at how seamed tubing fails, and how it's restrained when welded into the holes..... I can't imagine the forces traveling thru those arms will ever get enough "lever" to harm the welded tubing. Also seen a fair amount of rectangular suspension arms made out of weld-seamed material.

    good luck
     
  16. BloodyKnuckles
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    I've been thinking about this since I built the arms. I agree with you and can't see how it could fail. Now how it is attached to the rectangular tubing is a different concern.

    Thanks for the response.

    Also, I'm not completely finished with the links. I'm not 100% satisfied with them. I'll keep you guys posted on any changes with them.




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  17. PBRmeASAP
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    we never get bored looking at your rear.....

    Keep it up dawg.....looking good
     
  18. BloodyKnuckles
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    Yes. I'm using the Electra frame brackets also.




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  19. BloodyKnuckles
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    So, today was another long ****in day.

    But it was a very good day! All the hard stuff is done. The rear is a roller. I finished the panhard bar mount and frame brackets today and installed the coil springs. I also found a great location for the upper shock mounts.

    Other than the lower links and the upper link mount, the rear looks factory, a goal I was trying to achieve. The only other thing I may do is add air bags in the coils.

    Here are a few teasers;

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    A few things I need to address in the rear is final bolting, lengthen the panhard bar (possibly raising the bar's axle mount...), install the upper shock mounts and reinstall the gas tank. God, I can't wait to paint it all!

    Tomorrow is front suspension day...woo hoo!




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  20. JeffreyJames
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    Get a Job.

    On another note, looks super G***er-tastic, Streetfreaking-Awesome, Alter-Incredible!!!!! I am putting copyrights on those terms and selling them to Old Skool Rodz so don't even think about it.

    You work at a speed that I think everyone can look to for inspiration. Well done brother.
     
  21. LabRat
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  22. JeffreyJames
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    ^^^^^God I love that image^^^^^ and the **** Mangler.
     
  23. BloodyKnuckles
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    Thanks alot guys. It's been alot of work but I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm thinking in another week I'll be firing this mother up.


    More tomorrow....shop night JJ.



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  24. Circus Bear
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    Damn bro you ****in rule.
     
  25. Tudor
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    woo - it would be cool to do the slow idle around the track at midnight -

    looks great man. yeah I agree - make a bracket to raise the connection point of the pan hard on the axle so it flatter - that thing will move the axle when it swings through its arc - but you are already max length - it looks good.
     
  26. NVRA #84
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    As long as the slow ride includes raising the front wheels off the ground every 20 feet or so.

    I know this sounds gay, but what the hell. Ron your rear end looks great.
     
  27. American Hellbilly
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    Now thats one hell of a 4 link setup, The car is lookin bad***. I ceck up on this thread everyday for more pics.
     
  28. 50 Ford 1963
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    I would like to revise my earlier description from "****'n cool" to "Bad ***"
     
  29. Uh, that's a 3 link.
     
  30. Ron, I would lower/extend the frame bracket for the panhard and run a diagonal back to the frame opposite the direction of the panhard. This flattens the panhard and keeps the roll center low.
     

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