ohio scrappage bill the results

got a call from house rep kenny yuko a few min's ago. the results 90 voted for scrapping cars and 9 votes for the car guys. john hagen of the 50 district youngstown area gave a great spech for the car guys and kenny yuko spoke about the good economic impact car guys make to the ohio economy,

the bill must go the to senate were we may have another chance,

please thank kenny yuko and john hagen for there effort to save our cars

JOHN HAGAN district50@ohr.state.oh.us

Representative Kenny Yuko
Telephone: (614) 466-8012
Email Address: district07@ohr.state.oh.us

 

If it passes and you can find a legal argument you can file a lawsuit against it and get an injuction from it taking effect. I'm no lawyer, but I'm thinking that the angle of attack might be unreasonable seizure of personal property or something like that or a lack of proper protections for individual owners rights, or perhaps a lack of provision for appeal, etc....

Learn the rules of the game so you can manipulate the rules and win the game.

 

Messages sent!

Anything to help, man. If something happens to y'all, rest assured it'll be on it's way for the rest of us. May as well nip it in the bud.

~Jason

 

Yeah, if it passes you only need to find one judge that would be on your side to bollox it up -

Meantime it would be good to be able to post who voted against property rights and get that list around, especially if any of their terms come up next year.

 

wow, 90 dumb asses.....not suprised.

Don

 

I am VERY interested in who voted for or against the bill.

 

An aide sent me this when I asked for the results...

 

lmao... now it shows up.... thanks...

 

I almost think that she sent me the wrong results though because according to that sheet above Hagan voted for it to pass. Let me know what you all think, I could always call back if we think these aren't the results.

 

51 : 41 : 7 does not equal 90 : 9 : 0

 

Seems to me 51 voted for the bill, 41 voted against the bill and 7 were undecided so the swing was 10 votes. Total reps=99 and not 90.

We at least need to contact the ones that voted nay and ask for their help for the next go around. They're usually pretty good at coming up with ways to sway their partners when they can.

I will personally talk to Doug White and Danny Bupp about this as they both voted yea and are in my district. I know both of them pretty well and my son-in-law is the local judge.

 

I got this...

The yeas and nays were taken and resulted - yeas 82, nays 10, as
follows:
Those who voted in the affirmative were: Representatives
Aslanides Beatty Blessing Boccieri
Book Brinkman Brown Bubp
Calvert Carano Carmichael Cassell
Chandler Coley Collier Combs
Core Daniels DeBose DeGeeter
DeWine Distel Dolan Domenick
Driehaus Evans C. Faber Fende
Flowers Foley Garrison Gibbs
Hartnett Harwood Hoops Hughes
Key Koziura Latta Law
Luckie Martin McGregor J. McGregor R.
Mitchell Oelslager Otterman Patton S.
Patton T. Perry Peterson Raga
Raussen Redfern Reinhard Sayre
Schaffer Schlichter Schneider Seitz
Setzer Skindell Smith G. Smith S.
Stewart D. Stewart J. Strahorn Sykes
Trakas Uecker Ujvagi Wagner
Wagoner Webster White D. White J.
Widener Widowfield Williams Wolpert
Yates Husted-82.
Those who voted in the negative were: Representatives
Barrett Blasdel Buehrer Evans D.
Hagan Healy Hood Mason
Reidelbach Yuko-10.
The bill passed.
Representative Evans, C. moved to amend the title as follows:
Add the names: "Coley, DeBose, Webster, White, D., Wolpert."
The motion was agreed to and the title so amended.
The title as amended was agreed to.

Rep McGregor's office is not returning my phone messages. Go figure...

One thing that I found interesting is that I spoke to Diana Fessler at length about this and she was more against it than anyone here and when it came time to vote, she DIDN'T! Fessler's office isnt' returning my calls either...

Vance

 

Ok...hold the phone...proper results on the way....

 

I got an aid (which we will leave un-named because I'm sure he isn't supposed to do this) to send me the House journal yesterday. Below is the entire excerpt regarding HB560. We need to find out when it is going to hit the Senate. I have lots of car Senator friends to help out there.....​

H. B. No. 560

-Representatives Evans, C., Law, Harwood, Combs,​

Domenick, Reidelbach, Cassell, Perry, McGregor, J., Bubp, Setzer, Patton, S.,

Stewart, J., Latta, Garrison, Boccieri, Carano, Chandler, Collier, Fende,
Uecker.
To amend sections 505.85 and 505.87 and to enact section 505.871 of the
Revised Code to allow townships to remove junk motor vehicles from public
and private property and to borrow money to pay for that removal of junk
motor vehicles and for other debris from private property, was taken up for
consideration the third time.
The question being, "Shall the bill pass?"
Representative Evans, C. moved to amend as follows:
In line 92, delete "seven" and insert "fourteen"
In line 102, delete "seven" and insert "fourteen"
The question being, "Shall the motion to amend be agreed to?"
The motion was agreed to without objection.
The question being, "Shall the bill as amended pass?"
Representative Brinkman moved to amend as follows:
In line 7, delete the first "and" and insert a comma; after "505.87" insert
", 515.04, 515.05, 515.08, 515.11, 515.12, and 515.15"
In line 8, delete "section" and insert "sections"; after "505.871" insert
"and 515.16"
Between lines 155 and 156, insert:
"​

Sec. 515.04. The township fiscal officer shall fix a day, not more than​

thirty days from the date of notice to the board of township trustees, for the

hearing of thea petition provided for byunder section 515.02 or 515.16 of the
Revised Code. The township fiscal officer shall prepare and deliver to any of the
petitioners a notice in writing directed to the lot and land ownerslandowners and
to the corporations, either public or private, affected by the improvement. The
notice shall set forth the substance, pendency, and prayer of the petition and the
time and place of the hearing on it.
A copy of the notice shall be served upon each lot or land
ownerlandowner or left at the lot or land owner'slandowner'susual place of
residence, and upon an officer or agent of each corporation having its place of
business in the district or area described in the petition, at least fifteen days
before the date set for the hearing. On or before the day of the hearing, the
person serving the notice shall make return on it, under oath, of the time and
manner of service and shall file the return with the township fiscal officer.
The township fiscal officer shall give the notice to each nonresident lot or
land ownerlandowner, by publication once, in a newspaper published in and of
general circulation in the county in which the district or area described in the
petition is situated, at least two weeks before the day set for hearing. The notice
shall be verified by affidavit of the printer or other person knowing the fact and
shall be filed with the township fiscal officer on or before the day of hearing. No
further notice of the petition or the proceedings under it shall thereafter be
required.​

​

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Sec. 515.05. ​

At the time and place specified in the notice for hearing on a​

petition for the lighting of streets and public ways, as provided byfor under
section 515.04 or 515.16 of the Revised Code, the board of township trustees
shall meet and hear any and all proof offered by any of the parties affected by
suchthe improvement requested in the petition, and by other persons competent
to testify. SuchThe board shall go over and along suchthe streets and public
ways included in the area described in the petition, and, by actual view
thereof,actually viewing those streets and public ways and of the premises along
and adjacent theretoto them and to be lighted or benefited therebyby the
improvement, itthe board shall determine the necessity of the improvement. The
board may find that the improvement will result in general as well as special
benefits. The board may adjourn from time to time and to such place as necessity
requires.​

Sec. 515.08. ​

(A) On accepting a bid for artificial lighting and bond as​

provided by section 515.07 of the Revised Code, the board of township trustees
shall enter into a contract with the successful bidder for the furnishing of such
lights according tothe specifications. The contract shall not be for a longer term
than ten years. The
Except as otherwise provided in this division and division (D) of this
section, the cost and expenses of furnishing and maintaining suchthe lights, and
of the proceedings in relation thereto,to the artificial lighting shall be paid from a ​

​

fund raised by special assessments against the lots and lands in the district​

whichthat are benefited by suchthe lighting, provided, if. If the board finds that

the lighting will result in general as well as special benefits there, it may cause to
be paid from the general fund of the township treasury suchthat portion of the
cost and expenses, except interest on unpaid assessments, as is found to
represent the value of the general benefitbenefits.
Such(B) The assessments shall not be in excess of the special benefits
resulting from suchthe lighting, they shall be paid and collected in equal
semiannual installments, shall beequal in number to twice the number of years
for which the contract is made, and they shall be paid and collected in the same
manner and at the same times that taxes are paid and collected. Any such
assessment in the amount of five dollars or less, or with an unpaid balance of
five dollars or less, shall be paid in full, and not in installments, at the time the
first or next installment would otherwise become due and payable. Such
The assessments may be made and levied by any one of the following
methods:​

The assessments may be made and levied by any one of the following

methods:
(A)(1) By a percentage of the tax value of the property assessed;
(B)(2) In proportion to the benefits whichthat may result from the
lighting;
(C)(3) By the foot frontage of the property bounding and abutting upon
the streets, or public ways so lighted;
(D)(4) In an equal amount against each benefited lot, this. This amount
toshall be determined by dividing the total cost per semiannual installment by
the number of benefited lots in the district.
(C) The board of township trustees, by resolution, may provide for the
payment of interest on unpaid assessments, which shall be treated as part of the
costs and expenses of furnishing and maintaining the lights. The resolution shall
specify the rate of interest, which shall be based on the fair market rate that
would have been borne by securities issued in anticipation of the collection of
the assessments if such securities had been issued.
(D) After the levy of such special assessmentassessments, under this
section, the board mayof township trustees, at any time during any year in which
installments thereofof the assessments become due, paymay cause to be paid out
of the general fund of the township the full amount of the contract price for that
year, provided suchthat amount does not exceed the aggregate amount of the
installments due for that year.​

Sec. 515.11. ​

(A) The board of township trustees shall certify to the​

county auditor the boundaries of the district in which lights are to be erected,
and, when requested to do so by the board, the auditor shall apportion the
valuation for taxation of any lot or parcel of land lying partly within and partly
without the district.
(B) The board shallof township trustees, by resolution, shall assess
against the benefited lots and parcels of land in the district, in accordance with
section 515.08 of the Revised Code, suchthe portion of the costs of furnishing
and maintaining the lights, for the period of the contract and the proceedings in
relation theretoto the artificial lighting, as does not exceed the special benefits
resulting from the lighting, and shall certify suchthose costs to the county
auditor. The auditor shall annually place upon the tax duplicate, for collection in
semiannual installments as provided in that section, the two installments of the
assessment for that year, which installments, together with any interest on unpaid
assessments imposed under that section, shall be paid and collected as provided
in that section.
(C) If the number of lights to be furnished and maintained in a district
under any such contract is increased, pursuant to section 515.09 of the Revised
Code, the board of township trusteesshall make such additional assessments as
are necessary to pay the cost of furnishing and maintaining the additional
number of lights. If the cost of providing the lights increases, the board may
make such additional assessments as are necessary to pay the additional cost of
the lights. The additional assessments shall be made, certified, and collected in
the same manner as an original assessment, but shall be only for the unexpired
portion of the term of the contract.
(D) The assessments referred to in this section and any interest on unpaid
assessments, when collected, shall go into the township treasury and shall be
used by the board of township trustees only for the purpose for which they were
levied and collected.​

Sec. 515.12. ​

(A) All officers shall receive for services performed under​

sections 515.01 to 515.11 of the Revised Codethis chapter the same fees allowed
for other similar services.
The township fiscal officer shall receive for the fiscal officer's services
the sum of fifty cents from each lot or land ownerlandowner for whom a notice
is prepared and the sum of fifty cents for each annual assessment certified to the
county auditor.
All payments for the services of township officials shall be included in
the cost of the lighting district or requested relocation and assessed against the
property. The compensation shall be in addition to all other compensation
provided by law.
(B) The board of township trustees may, by resolution, mayemploy
additional personnel in place of the township fiscal officer to prepare and certify
notices for each lot or land ownerlandowner and shall pay a reasonable sum not
to exceed fifty cents for each lot or land ownerlandowner for whom a notice is
prepared and a reasonable sum not to exceed fifty cents for each annual
assessment certified to the county auditor. The actual cost of the additional
personnel shall be assessed proportionately against each lot or land
ownerlandowner and shall be included in the cost of the lighting district or
requested relocation.​

Sec. 515.15. ​

(A) A board of township trustees may contract with any​

corporation, company, partnership, association, municipal corporation, or person
that owns overhead cables, wires, and appurtenant equipment on a street or
right-of-way located within the township for the relocation of the overhead
cables, wires, and appurtenant equipment underground. Unless a pre-existing
arrangement provides otherwise or, the parties to the contract agree otherwise, or
the relocation is requested by petition under section 515.16 of the Revised Code,
the township shall pay the cost of the relocation as provided in the contract. A
proceeding for the relocation may be combined with a proceeding for the
furnishing of new street lighting facilities or otheranotherstreet improvement.
Any corporation, company, partnership, association, municipal
corporation, or person with which the board of township trustees contracts for
the relocation of overhead cables, wires, and appurtenant equipment
underground shall identify and consult with the owner of suchthe cables, wires,
and appurtenant equipment during the planning of the relocation, and shall notify
the owner at least twenty-four hours in advance of beginning the relocation.
(B) A board of township trustees may, by resolution, mayadopt and
enforce regulations requiring owners of property abutting a street in which
overhead wires, cables, and appurtenant equipment supplying a utility service
have been relocated underground and service connections have been provided to
the street, right-of-way, or property line, to install underground wires, cables, or
conduits from the street or right-of-way to the buildings or other structures on
the property to which the utility service is supplied. The township may pay the
cost incurred in installing underground wires, cables, or conduits from the street
or right-of-way to the buildings or other structures on the property to which the
utility service is supplied.
(C) For the purpose of relocating overhead wires, cables, and appurtenant
equipment and installing underground wires, cables, conduits, and appurtenant
equipment, a township may enter upon any private land to examine or survey
lines for the wires, cables, conduits, and appurtenant equipment and may
appropriate as much land as is necessary for the relocation and installation.​

Sec. 515.16. ​

(A) Any person may file a petition with the township fiscal​

officer requesting the board of township trustees to relocate underground any
overhead cables, wires, and appurtenant equipment on streets or rights-of-way in
an unincorporated area of the township. The petition shall specify the metes and
bounds of the area to be included in the relocation project and shall be signed by
at least seventy-five per cent of the landowners in the specified area whose land
either abuts the streets or rights-of-way or otherwise would be specially
benefited by the project.
(B) The township fiscal officer shall give notice of the petition and a
copy of it to the board of township trustees, schedule a hearing on the petition,
and provide notice in the manner set forth in section 515.04 of the Revised Code.
The board shall hear the petition in the manner set forth in section 515.05 of the
Revised Code.​

(C) If the board of township trustees decides in favor of the petition, it

shall provide specifications for the relocation project and obtain an estimate of
its cost. If the estimate is twenty-five thousand dollars or less, the board may
contract for the project without competitive bidding. Otherwise, the board shall
post, in three of the most conspicuous public places in the project area, a notice
containing the project specifications and specifying a place and time, which shall
not be less than thirty days from the date of the posting of the notices, where the
board will receive bids on the project. The board may reject all bids and may
accept the lowest and best bid that includes a guarantee required by section
153.54 of the Revised Code.
(D)(1) Except as provided in divisions (D)(2) and (6) of this section, the
costs and expenses of the relocation project and related proceedings shall be paid
by special assessments against the properties located in the project area that abut
the streets or rights-of-way in question or that otherwise are specially benefited
by the project. The assessments shall be made and levied in one of the following
methods:
(a) As a percentage of the tax value of the property;
(b) In proportion to the special benefit resulting from the project;
(c) By the foot frontage of the property abutting the streets or
rights-of-way;
(d) In an equal amount against each property.
(2) If the board of township trustees finds that the relocation project will
result in general as well as special benefits, the board may pay from the township
general fund a portion of the costs and expenses of the project, except interest on
unpaid assessments, that represents the value of the general benefits. In no case
shall assessments exceed the special benefits resulting from the project.
(3) The board of township trustees, by resolution, shall assess all lands
abutting the streets or rights-of-way in the project area and lands otherwise
specially benefited by the project. The resolution may allow the assessments to
be paid over a number of years, but not more than ten years.
(4) The board of township trustees, by resolution, may provide for the
payment of interest on unpaid assessments, which shall be treated as part of the
costs and expenses of the relocation project. The resolution shall specify the rate
of interest, which shall be based on the fair market rate that would have been
borne by securities issued in anticipation of the collection of the assessments if
such securities had been issued.
(5) The board of township trustees shall certify the assessments and
interest on unpaid assessments, when applicable, to the county auditor. The
auditor shall place the assessments and interest on unpaid assessments, when
applicable, upon the tax duplicate and collect the assessments and interest in the
same manner and at the same time that taxes are paid and collected. The
collected assessments and collected interest shall be deposited into the township ​

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general fund.

(6) During any year in which installment payments of the assessments are
due, the board of township trustees, by resolution, may waive the payments for
all the assessed lands and pay the aggregate amount of the assessments for that
year out of the township general fund.
(E) The township shall not be liable for any service outages or other
damage caused by the relocation project.
(F) Except the requirement that the township pay the costs for a
relocation project, the provisions of section 515.15 of the Revised Code govern
relocation projects requested by petition under this section."
In line 156, delete "and" and insert a comma; after "505.87" insert ",
515.04, 515.05, 515.08, 515.11, 515.12, and 515.15"
In line 1 of the title, delete the first "and" and insert a comma; after
"505.87" insert ", 515.04, 515.05, 515.08, 515.11, 515.12, and 515.15"
In line 2 of the title, delete "section" and insert "sections"; after
"505.871" insert "and 515.16"
In line 6 of the title, after "property" insert ", and to authorize townships
to relocate underground overhead cables, wires, and appurtenant equipment upon
petition, to pay for a relocation by assessing abutting and otherwise specially
benefited properties, and to collect interest on unpaid assessments for an
underground relocation project or an artificial lighting district project"
The question being, "Shall the motion to amend be agreed to?"
The yeas and nays were taken and resulted - yeas 51, nays 41, as follows:
Those who voted in the affirmative were: Representatives​

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Aslanides Blessing Brinkman Bubp

Buehrer Cassell Coley Collier
Core Daniels DeWine Dolan
Domenick Evans C. Faber Flowers
Foley Garrison Gibbs Hagan
Hood Hughes Koziura Latta
Law Luckie Martin McGregor J.
McGregor R. Oelslager Otterman Peterson
Raussen Reidelbach Reinhard Schneider
Seitz Setzer Skindell Smith G.
Stewart D. Trakas Uecker Wagoner
Webster White D. White J. Widener
Widowfield Wolpert Husted-51.​

Those who voted in the negative were: Representatives​

Barrett Beatty Blasdel Boccieri

Book Brown Calvert Carano
Carmichael Chandler Combs DeBose
DeGeeter Distel Driehaus Evans D.​

Fende Hartnett Harwood Healy

Hoops Key Mason Mitchell
Patton S. Patton T. Perry Raga
Redfern Sayre Schaffer Schlichter
Smith S. Stewart J. Strahorn Sykes
Ujvagi Wagner Williams Yates
Yuko-41.​

The motion was agreed to and the bill so amended.

The question being, "Shall the bill as amended pass?"
The yeas and nays were taken and resulted - yeas 82, nays 10, as follows:
Those who voted in the affirmative were: Representatives​

Aslanides Beatty Blessing Boccieri

Book Brinkman Brown Bubp
Calvert Carano Carmichael Cassell
Chandler Coley Collier Combs
Core Daniels DeBose DeGeeter
DeWine Distel Dolan Domenick
Driehaus Evans C. Faber Fende
Flowers Foley Garrison Gibbs
Hartnett Harwood Hoops Hughes
Key Koziura Latta Law
Luckie Martin McGregor J. McGregor R.
Mitchell Oelslager Otterman Patton S.
Patton T. Perry Peterson Raga
Raussen Redfern Reinhard Sayre
Schaffer Schlichter Schneider Seitz
Setzer Skindell Smith G. Smith S.
Stewart D. Stewart J. Strahorn Sykes
Trakas Uecker Ujvagi Wagner
Wagoner Webster White D. White J.
Widener Widowfield Williams Wolpert
Yates Husted-82.​

Those who voted in the negative were: Representatives​

Barrett Blasdel Buehrer Evans D.

Hagan Healy Hood Mason
Reidelbach Yuko-10.​

The bill passed.

Representative Evans, C. moved to amend the title as follows:
Add the names: "Coley, DeBose, Webster, White, D., Wolpert."
The motion was agreed to and the title so amended.
The title as amended was agreed to.​

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This bill is horrible. Take our property and borrow money to do it which I'm sure will be used for stuff it shouldnt be and still bill us for removal. It's a way for the state to get money buy taking it from someone. I sent my email on Sat. My question is, do we continue to contact the same people?

 

I'm really confused about this posting by chevygirlrox and the results she posted. Seems like most of the ammendments (515.XX) had to do with street lighting tho HB560 was about junk car removal. Any clarifcation on this??????????

 

I'd be willing to bet that 80-90% of those voting never read the bill as proposed or it was attached to another bill. They may have voted 'yea' on this one to get some support for another bill they want passed. Two things you don't want to see made are sausages and laws. It's an ugly process either way. And I made sausages for 5 years.

Most legislators vote on so many bills that to read them all would take more time to read than is possible.

If you want to get a real point across DON'T email the folks you want to reach, they don't read their emails. You need to organize a "call-in" to their offices so that 100's of calls are made in a 3-4 hour period. Constant phone calls and faxes. This will tie up the phone lines and cause great disruption to the workings of the representative's office. FAX & PHONE protests make a bigger impact than snail mail letters and emails ever can. This approach was used to great effect by the Postal Union here a year or so ago.

 

Since a few of you seem to be REALLY well informed about this.....

Who do we contact next? It probably doesn't do any good to raise hell with the reps. It's out of their hands now.

mike

 

Notice that MOST of the bill is about erecting lighting and relocation of overhead cables to underground, and only one small section is about "junk cars." Therefore in order to say nay on the junk car part, they have to say nay on all the lighting and overhead cable improvements in the bill. Since that's probably more important to most reps, they vote for the lighting and cable improvement plans and let the tiny bit of the bill dealing with junk cars stand.

 

You need to contact those that still have NOT voted on this bill. See my above post. Emails do nothing.

 

Actually, what needs to be done next is contact the Senate reps.

Since this Bill has passed the House, it has to go thru the Senate. It'll have to be railroaded thru to make it since there is only ONE session left and that's Tuesday. This Bill will have to go thru the committee meeting and then hit the floor of the Senate; remotely possible, but very unlikely. If it doesn't make it to that floor of the Senate, it will get shelved until sometime next year.

Keep calling and e-mailing. Especially those who voted for it and those morons who didn’t even vote. Any form of contact is better then not making any attempt. I've gotten responses from my e-mails, so don't say they don't do any good. Hell, I even got a letter mailed to me in response to one of my first e-mails.

Just out of curiosity, how long would any of you have a job if you didn’t do it? These Reps who didn’t vote kill me. Hell, one of them was Fessler and she was a staunch opponent.

Vance

 

You're right. Any and all attempts at contacting those in a postition to kill this bill is a good thing.

I'm just so used to Illinois & Chicago area politics....

 

I'm not the most literate head on the block but I just typed this little memo to Mr. Dan Bupp for his perusal. Feel free to reword it if it needs to be revised and post it here. I will forward the final draft to him and others. Thanks in advance!

Dear Mr. Bupp,

It seems evident to me that the recent passage of HB 560 was more for the purpose of improvements in overhead and underground services. I find it vengeful that anyone passing this bill was not in any way considering the portion of the bill as to “junk” cars. Many old cars are restored by many hobbyists in Ohio and you’re hiding this portion of the bill under streetlights is stupid and inconsiderate to these hobbyists. There is no writing within the bill to consider priceless antiques though our license plate laws recogonize the existance of them under antique plates.

I wonder how many dollars are expended each year by hot rodders, street rodders and antique car owners in the state of Ohio. Let’s see; fuel, parts, welding shops revenue, parts houses revenue, body shops revenue, licenses, salvage yards revenue, insurance companies revenue, the list goes on and on.

I personaly feel violated that any group of concerned “State Representitives” could be so low as to try to hide this bill in with townships powers over streetlighting.

I look forward to your term ending in the next election for your inconsideration.

James K. Leis
West Union, Ohio 45693
(937-544-2787)
e-mail ecsllc@bright.net

 

Representative Oslager actually called me back today!!
He said that yesterday he voted yes because he hadn't received any opposition to the bill (where are you Northeastern Ohio boys?!?) He said that with the amendment passed it would be up to the townships if they wanted to participate or not. He said that if your township did participate you would receive a certified letter and then have 14 days to do something about your "junk". Something includes staking posts and outlining with tarp, planting vegetation, building a fence, something along those lines.
Next step is the Senate so call your reps. I too will work on a phone numbers list.
As for the HB560 having so much garbage in it, welcome to legislature. I have a bill passing in the Senate right now that is 72 pages long and less than one page "matters".
Legislators try to throw in as much garbage as possible. It reminds me of old Ragu commercials "It's in there".
Thanks to all who called and wrote, don't give up the ship yet, call your senators!
Thanks!

 

Another motive for those who didn't vote is the fact they didn't want to be seen voting down the lighting & cables. Knowing the bill would pass, they preferred to abstain - regardless of their stance on the scrappage bill.

Remember, a politician's first job is to get re-elected. After that, it's to gain more prestige/power/etc.

Concur with much above - phone campaigns have much more influence than letters, email is better than nothing, but is the easiest dismissed...

 

hey buddy contact this freind i have at SEMA jason tolleson 202-783-6007 e-mail jasont@semasan.com this is what he does is fight for our rights tell him Harry Brock with the GA STREET ROD ASSOICATION told you to contact him HE CAN HELP. good luck

 

"they" say it's to help cleanup southern ohio.......well, according to this post, ole' todd book voted against it......AND he's from here!

nevertheless, i sent a few emails to some friends....

since time isn't really on our side, written letters and voice is probably the best.....

this time, i'll send emails to all the reps that AREN'T mine and a written letter/phone call to my local......

if, by some fortune, we can skate by and it gets postponed for this year, we need to mount a full on assualt on this crap...website/forum with letters, email addresses, etc, etc.....and go out and hit other message boards, email friends, flyers at car shows, etc....

i'll see if i can dig up some email addresses to these clowns.....

i was telling grandpa this and he said, "this is not what we fought for in WWII! it seems everything is backwards anymore....."

 

here's a start...

http://www.senate.state.oh.us/senators/

 

I e-mailed both of the guys and thanked them for trying! Gary

 

wow, the day someone trys to take any of my vehicles that sit out side of the garage SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN!. I have emailed the reps, now what? Sit here with my ar15 waiting for a tow truck to come pick up and scrap my shit. The state of ohio has me sooo pissed off laitly. Between this and the smoking ban. I have never smoked anything in my life and I think that law is total bull shit. and now they are trying to take our projects. How many "barn finds" are going to be junked. how many good cars that havent been found by the right people. they are taking away our future.