Ok, Who's hoarding up all the good stuff??

there's a 51 packard 2 door up the road from me.

 

With all the time some guys spend on the computer beatin off and bitching they can't afford a decent car, one might get a job nights and save some money to buy one. But those days are gone. Now everyone feels entitled to have what ever they want without earning it.

 

Shopping for a deal or offering less than the asking price does not a cheapscate make. Unless the asking is price is an obvious deal i try and save a few bucks when i can so it can go to other aspects of a build. Most if not all people shop for the best price for gas,or lowball offer on a house and meet the seller somewhere in between. Trying to save some money or strech what you have is a way of life for most and is human nature. I seem to find good deals and see alot that are not, but if you spend the time looking and putting out the word you WILL be rewarded.

I now return to hoarding.

 

Bickering on a price is fine. That is how I have accumulated my collection. Its when someone looks at my stuff and says something stupid like, "wanna sell that intake? I'll give you $150 bucks for it. I have been looking for one for ever." "oh that intakes cool too, do you want to sell that one? Never seen one like that before" and it goes on.
Sure, I have travelled the country's swap meets, made the connections and paid fair prices to build my collection. You're right, I should sell it piece by piece to someone like you who 'just has to have it' because it fits what you're into right now. Who cares if I paid more, if you want it for your price you should have it. F-that.

 

There's is a lot of goods out there still and I've been watching prices drop slowly over the past year or so. In fact, when I started gathering parts I had no idea where I wanted to go with what I was buying. With the market's current situation, have found that I can actually build a 5W, Roadster, or Coupster--I never thought would be able to afford a real Model A, until I researched prices. I also figured when I decided I wanted to build something I would have to build on a budget and buy a little at a time (sometimes piece-by-piece). So far it looks like it will be very close in the end. I buy parts when they are the right price for me and when I have the money available. I'm playing the waiting game and I'm winning for the most part. But still, when I see some guy's 2007 asking price I just shake my head and move on. Why even try to talk him down? Someone with money to burn deserves the goodies if they want to pay some of the prices being asked out there.

I'm not doing any bitching (and I'm not offended by your comment at all Dualquad) about not being able to afford a decent car, but, ironically enough, I have been thinking about getting a night job just to fund the cost of a decent body--it only makes sense. Why dig into household funds so I can play? The problem with me getting a second job is my conscience. When I'm making above the average income in my state and have close friends who can't find a job or are barely scraping by on minimum wage due to the current economy, I'd rather not swipe a job that someone actually needs just to fund my toys and whims. So again, I'll save some cans, do a side job or two and just wait it out until I have enough in my pocket.

 

When I posted this thread I was not talking about guys who buy up everything cheap to resell, I was thinking more along the lines of the guys ( and you know who you are) who have 5-10 rods or projects tucked away somewhere and will not turn lose of anything even though they will never do anything with them.....( I know 2 guys 1 has a complete right side of a 32 5 window the other has everything else to make the body complete, But neither will turn lose of what they have...So the car will never get built).....Most likely they will die and there will be an estate sell,.....Problem with that is flippers and big money buys all that stuff at those sells....So the common working man (like me) will never see any of it..LOL

 

Ravedodger: I think we are on the same wave here. Saving and buying what you can when it fits your budget is how this is done. Having a little patience and waiting until you find the right deal.
I do side work to make ends meet and what little is left over I can spend on my cars. I work, barter, trade to make it happen.
I hear you about taking a job away from someone who could use it, but if they wanted one that bad they would already have one. Most people don't want to work a second job to get by. Hell, I don't either but my kids want dinner every night.
As long as I can make it work, I won't have to sell off my collection!!!

 

who cares,
no matter how many times this comes up it's still just as worthless as the last time

 

funny...stopped by today to talk to the neighbor who has a 55 Nomad still wearing it's orginal paint and stored inside at least 30 years +...said a guy stopped by to offer $20,000 grand...he's had it so long...that offer wasn't going to take it home....not sure - but as some have said...some how they know what it's worth....

 

You just described about 60% of the population that graduated after 1970. The other 40% are smart enough or working hard enough to make enough that our president wants to take it away from them and give it to some low life who wouldn't work if you gave them a job and then paid them even if they didn't show up for work. Long sentence, huh?

Frank

 

So what, name one car you want bad that can't be had somewhere right now for around market price - if not right this instant, then one will turn up within 30 days. Then instead of bitching about people you know, go buy one from someone you don't know. You come off sounding like a case of four-wheel penis envy - either you want the car or you don't, who gives a fuck where you buy it?

A lot of guys just don't want it that bad, they'd rather bitch and moan anyways, they don't want to have to look very hard and should they actually find something, they don't want to work very hard either, if it needs more work than a snap-together model kit forget it.


Poorboyross thinks that 30's Ford coupes and 49 Mercs are low-demand cars? Then he wants a '57 Buick that I could have had half a dozen of and couldn't find anyone who gave a damn about them at the time... because they wanted 49 Mercs and '30's Ford coupes... That makes sense.

 

Im still collecting, so im not a hoarder yet, and theres plenty of parts and stuff out there to be bought, im buying it all the time! And im selling stuff all the time too (when people buy it) to buy other parts i need for other projects, plus i like to trade, thats fun too.

Plus i think when a guy buys something, its his to do with it what he wants, period!

JEFF

 

you used to see entire model A's sell for less than $1k (and this wasn't that damned long ago).....now it's like you gotta pay that just for a fuckin cowl.

Example: My pops bought a complete 28-29 2dr sedan just 10 years ago for $300 (granted this was probably below market value event then but still...). Now the same damned car would sell for $3000.

Model A's aren't getting rarer.....it's that the folks holding them are getting prouder.

 

I was referring to the crew cab... lol!!!

I think them thar teleevizhun shows....Mecum and Barret Jack-*ff might have something to do with it? Maybe I'm wrong. I was looking at an A.....chassis, skirts, running motor...pretty much the whole thing sans radiator and body....3 LARGE!!! wth....

 

Cowtown,

I personally think you and "poster" children like you are full of shit!

What have you ACTUALLY made an offer on lately? Been to any autcions/sales lately? (or do you just hang around the same group of lawnchair pilots weekend after weekend waiting for the deal to come to you)

If your answer is nothing/haven't seen anything/too far/too much to ship/can't get out from under moms apron or any of the aforementioned, then you are just sitting on the sidelines bitching like a little school girl.

Here are a couple from last weekend - running 26 T truck $450, running 47 Dodge truck $125, grill shells and radiators sold in piles for $300, etc..

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if you can't find it in this economy you aren't trying hard enough or just prefer to complain

 

I have a few projects waiting their turn. All very rough but that is fine with me, I can't afford cherry stuff and I'm in no hurry to build any of it. I figure one day I will be retired and need something to work on. here are some pics.....

 

Like i used to hear from experienced swap meet and e-bay buyers years back when i first got into that stuff; "You can ask the moon, but something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it."

At work, I hear guys talk about how happy they are because their value of their stock went up, like they are all of a sudden rich. It seems they don't understand that they don't get to realize that worth unless they sell it.

People who are hoarding stuff should undestand that stuff only might seem more valuable lately compared to 20-30 years ago because the demographic of people interested in it has more disposable income today than we had then. The problem is that the group is aging, and the younger generations who will replace us don't have the same interest in this kind of stuff. When the current ownes die, their wife and/or children will just blow it out to have it gone and use the space. Most of the guys that would be interested in, say for example 1920's Fords, 25 years from now are going to be in nursing homes. Stuff that our fathers liked and enjoyed are just not going to be popular with future generations. Look how many guys used to collect stamps and coins up into the 1960's. Remember all the coin/stamp collector shops around when we were kids? Do you see your children getting into that hobby, Hell No. The only reason the few coin dealers left make money now is the melt value of the old stuff is so high. If it wasn't, they would not be buying all the old geezers' coin collections when they die. There would be a glut on the market. Nobody wanted that stuff before the melt value skyrocketed. When i am gone, my son will not care about my 75 year old lathe, my 50 year old motorcycle, or any of my tools, The only guys interested in that kind of stuff are getting older and they are not being replaced. Look at the auction shows on the Speed Channel. Fat old guys grabbing all the cars. They want to remember the cars of their youth. The future generations dont care about that stuff. They do collect old computers and video game systems from the '70s, like Atari, Pong, etc...
Those who keep hoarding all the automobile related items holding out for some imagined sky-high price probably won't see any value out of the stuff in their lifetime.

 

Joe, I really want to think you are wrong, but considering the things I have seen happen to America ....you are probably spot on. I don't feel so bad about cutting up my A now LOL! Very well written piece!

 

I'll 2nd that!

 

I got hosed buy a guy that bought my car(65 Nova) off of craigslist.He came off like a nice guy and gave me the whole song and dance about getting the car for his wife.Not even to weeks later I find the car back on craigslist selling for more than what I sold it to for.
I know that once the car is out of your hands who gives a shit, right.But what is not realized is that it puts you in a state of mind that you are not gonna hook a fellow car brother again! Thus you begin to collect(hoard) and you die with it.

 

I get leads, calls, and e-mails regularly on where stuff is in that price range and cheaper.-Weeks

 

You must be right. All of us guys in our 30s-40s probably wont want any of this stuff in a few years. Then, all those guys who don't want to pay for it now will be able to get it for a song.
Come see me in about...30yrs.

 

I never feel bad about hoarders or high prices for nice stuff these days.
That just keeps things in good shape for me to buy in the next 10-20 years, when all those things will be available again and for less, because the predictable dropping demand.
The only thing that worries me about the future are the poor quality and expensive gasoline and all the regulations and fees I'm going to have to deal with, since I like to drive my rides every day.

 

^^ Exactly. Happens very often today. I had one screw job bring his little girl as bate using her as the excuse for wanting a father/daughter project car. I sold it to them for a good deal and a week later it was up on evilbay. Worse, the guy had the balls to call asking to buy another car hoping to fool me again... Now when people come asking, I tell them to go f**k themselves.

 

Ive always almost given stuff away that I found or was left over. I felt it was my tiny contribution to helping somebody out and helping the hobby in general. Im not keeping stuff around that I wont use and dont want to rake people over the coals.
I noticed some comments about kids in this thread. Of course theyre not interested in an old car thats gonna take an effort to find parts for and be more expensive than a Honda they can get cheap and find parts for with hardly any effort.
My oppinion. take it for what its worth

 

True!

However, in the words of a man I've recently met whom has over 400 Stromberg carbs, "I collect them to keep them away from the hoarders."

 

i don't care who you are , thats funny.

 

Well, I know of a guy in Northeast rural "the sticks" CT who has 200 cars or so on an old unused property. The outside of the property is full to the road with old relics, 30's to 40's Buicks, Chevy's, Willy's. Also on this property is a large 3 car garage stuffed, STUFFED full of parts, so stuffed it is pushing the doors open, falling out of the windows STUFFED!!! Behind this 3 car is a huge barn that was cut into a small hill. This barn must be a minimum of 20,000 square feet, the roof is caving in, the concrete block walls are falling in, and yes these blocks and roof pieces are falling on the cars that are in this barn, and as I am sure you have guessed it is full of cars. There is a minimum of 15 A's in that barn, 40's and 50's Chevy's, Fords, and Chrysler products.

Now with that said the owner, who is at least 92, and unfortunately in very bad health. He has been collecting, "hoarding" vehicles since 1950 or so when he got out of the Navy. He does sell some of the vehicles, well one type, the Jeepsters and thats it. When I asked him why he said he buys the Jeepsters to sell them to keep his only daughter off of his back, becuase she asked him to try and sell the stuff because she hasn't the time or means to do it when he passes on.

Long Story short, the old man told me before I even asked to buy anything, "I would rather all this junk rot into the ground before I would sell it!" Oh well I tried, he was a cool old man to talk to though!
Chuck

 

It's just like that show "Hoarders", they have a particular mental defect whereby they will let their stuff turn to shit rather than get rid of it. Something in their brain tells them that they need to save the stuff, and they can't see getting rid of it. They don't see reality the way most of the population sees it, in regards to possessions.

This story goes with what i was saying above. When he is gone, the daughter will just dump the stuff real cheap just to get rid of it. That benefits the patient buyer who will eventually get whatever good stuff is left.

I don't get guys that hoard cars, parts, etc... and never want to sell the stuff. I see it as you spend your hard-earned cash for something for one of maybe two reasons; either you want to use it and enjoy it, or you want to sell it and make money. If you have so many multiples of something, you are not using it for enjoyment. If you don't sell it, you don't make money. So it is like tearing up your money and flushing it down the toilet.

 

Barrett Jackson and the guys with more money than they know what to do with have really increased the price of cars. Also, they have caused many people to think that their old junk is gold plated when it is actually rust plated.