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OLDS GURUS??? 61 394 problems

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by THE CHIEF, Sep 16, 2008.

  1. THE CHIEF
    Joined: Feb 22, 2007
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    THE CHIEF
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    from MIAMI

    im posting this for a buddy of mine, maybe some one can help
    thanks in advance


    Here's the deal. 1955 super 88 with a 61' 394 cid in it. Engine cranks but does not start unless I move the distributor counter clockwise -- (I'm ***uming retarding timing) little by little until it starts --- Once I have it running, it runs rough. Now, I keep turning the dist. a little more and it run better, but not as god as it use to run before any of this happend. The timing is not jumping or anything -- Now I am ***uming it has something to do in the distributor and it is not the points, running petronix. Does anyone out there have any idea? Could it be the vacuum advance, is there any mechanical parts in the dist that would make it run like this. Please, help need to have veh ready for The Turkey run in November.
     
  2. power58
    Joined: Sep 7, 2008
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    It is very common in GM distributors for the mechanical advance mech to stick in the full advanced position. Is there a lot of brown colored deposits on the advance weights ? Usually the Vac can will get a leak and you won't have any vac advance , but the engine will start normally. If the weights and pivot pins are not worn too bad you can take the dist apart and clean it up and relube the mech advance with dist lube.
     
  3. THE CHIEF
    Joined: Feb 22, 2007
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    THE CHIEF
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    ill tell him to check on that...any other thoughts anyone?
     
  4. BJR
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    Is this a stock engine? If it has the original cam sprocket on it they had plastic teeth on them, and when they get old (like all of them now) they break off. Sounds like your timing chain jumped one or more teeth. You can fix the timing by turning the distributor but the cam is now running retarded. So it runs like ****, until it jumps again and it will not run at all.
     
  5. d2_willys
    Joined: Sep 8, 2007
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    from Kansas

    My thoughts too. Guess Olds got cheap, had a 60 371 and gears where metal.
     
  6. THE CHIEF
    Joined: Feb 22, 2007
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    THE CHIEF
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    from MIAMI

    so were talking about the front sprocket right? where the timing chain hooks to? thanks in advance

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  7. d2_willys
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    d2_willys
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    from Kansas

    you are correct!:eek:
     
  8. VERNOR-GREEN GARAGE
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    VERNOR-GREEN GARAGE
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    from Michigan

    Usually a sign of jumped timing in a gm {nylon teeh gone} replaced a ton of them back in the day!
    Jerry
     
  9. power58
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    I thought the nylon timing gear didnt come out till the late 70's on GM engines.
     
  10. JohnEvans
    Joined: Apr 13, 2008
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    JohnEvans
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    from Phoenix AZ

    Nope that POS sprocket was out in the 60s. Replaced several in my firends 67 GTO.
     

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