So, while watching Rides last night, it got me wondering, (again, I see a pattern forming!). I wonder if anybody here knows how many actual cars of differnt types, (i.e. roadsters, 3 windows, 5 windows, ect) Ford made new in 1932, vs. how many are on the road today, (origionals, fiberglass, steal re-made ones)? If that make sense? If I had to guess, I'd say there are more on the road now, then were ever made, at least roadsters wise. I don't know how they are all registered, actual 1932 reg. vs. newer "kit car" type registration. Just my mind at work again. Anybody know any hard numbers? Or where to loook? Thanks again!
[ QUOTE ] Great idea, let't beat this dead horse just a little more! [/ QUOTE ] If you read him, though, he's not asking for opinions on what is better, just speculating as to numbers. There probably are more '32 Ford bodies out there than Ford ever produced during that production run. I guarantee there are more 3-window coupes and roadsters than there ever were. Model A's are probably in the same category.
The serial number on my wescotts roadster body was higher than the number of roadsters Henry built back in 32. I do remember that. And mine was a several year old body when I got it. I looked at 2 Model As for sale last year that turned out to be Shays from the 80's. I know restorers who see no problem with using brookville parts. The line is blurred more every day.
Guess I'm just speculating where this will go. Fair enough, my book says; cabrolet 7,063 conv sedan 1,142 coupe 54,597 4 door sedan 36,649 phaeton 2,705 roadster 8996 wagon 334 tudor sedan 90,568 victoria 8,870 no brake down on 3 /5 windows Anyone know if this is accurate?
I was just courious numbers wise, I figured there had to be more "new" then origional. Just trying to figure out ball park numbers, but I guess I'd be hard to find out how many re-manufatured ones there really are out there, seing that a number of different companies make them. Like they say, couriosity killed the cat.
Alot of states will register a repop car as the year it represents, so it would be hard to tell, even if you could get the numbers.
It's an un-answerable question. How many 32's registered in Marland, California, etc. etc. Yes there are probably more cars called 32 Fords than Ford ever produced in 1932. IMHO
I want to know what a "wagon" is. Only 334 built? Convertable sedan I assume would be the B400. What about Sedan Deliveries or those ugly "Ute" things they have in Australia? (Sorry, but the picture I saw of a Deuce Ute was indeed ugly.)
Wagons and sedan deliveries were classified as commercial vehicles. There was also the Sport coupe and roadster P/U
I always get sport coupes and cabriolets confused. What's the difference again? Door tops? I did a search and found that a 1932 Woodie was called a "wagon". And I had forgot about the RPUs.
[ QUOTE ] It's an un-answerable question. How many 32's registered in Marland, California, etc. etc. Yes there are probably more cars called 32 Fords than Ford ever produced in 1932. IMHO [/ QUOTE ] That's what I figured, it was a question more out of couriosity then anthing. Thanks
[ QUOTE ] I always get sport coupes and cabriolets confused. What's the difference again? Door tops? [/ QUOTE ] Sport coupes aren't convertibles (i.e. the top doesn't fold down). They're basically coupes with a convertible-styled top. Cabriolets are convertibles. What distinguishes them from roadsers are a fixed windshield and roll-up windows (and door tops, of course). One could probably make a sport coupe into a faux-Cabriolet if they were so inclined.
[ QUOTE ] I always get sport coupes and cabriolets confused. What's the difference again? Door tops? I did a search and found that a 1932 Woodie was called a "wagon". And I had forgot about the RPUs. [/ QUOTE ] Stock SCs have landau irons and 5W doors. The soft top doesn't fold. It does share the square top cornered W/shield with the Cabriolet. 1700 something V8 SCs and less than a 1000 4cyl were built. It was a pretty classy model. Mine had dual side mount spares, rumble seat and a luggage rack. I bet it was a pricey model in the 1932 depression.
That is one fantasic looking motor Tommy how jelous am i?well i have to admit very,it just looks like it's been driving forever and will go on that way.Bloody brilliant i love it............Mad Marq
[ QUOTE ] Guess I'm just speculating where this will go. Fair enough, my book says; cabrolet 7,063 conv sedan 1,142 coupe 54,597 4 door sedan 36,649 phaeton 2,705 roadster 8996 wagon 334 tudor sedan 90,568 victoria 8,870 no brake down on 3 /5 windows Anyone know if this is accurate? [/ QUOTE ] New 32's verus Henry built 32 .....numbers... I do not believe the myth that there are MORE fiberglass 32's now that what Hery Ford sold. I have a book "The Early Ford V8..as Henry built it" It is cataloged in the US Library of Congress. It was written by two Ford employees. Edward Francis ( 32 years @ Ford ) and George De Angelis ( 39 years @ Ford ). The book was first printed in 1982 to celebrate the Deuce's 50th birthday. It has similar production figures..taken from Ford records.....but has both the Standard & De Luxe plus the 4 cylinder and V8 numbers......the above numbers did not reflect both V8 and 4 cylinder numbers.....by my book's records....... Standard Roadster..1,552 De Luxe Roadster .11,045 Total....12,597 B45 5 Window 51,794 B520 3 Window 22,148 IF 50 Glass Roadsters a month were made each and every month......It would take 21 years .....to match Henry's production of 32 roadsters..... For the 3 Window ( 22,148 made) it would take over 87 3W fiberglass coupes to be made each and every month for 21 years.....to match Henry's production of 32 3W coupes....... And the 5 Windows ( 51,794 ) it would take over 205 fiberglass 5W's a month every month for 21 years.......to match Henry's production of 32 5W coupes....... That adds up to 86,539 ......just roadsters, 3 Ws and 5 Ws. .....that's over 340 fiberglass cars a month....every month.for 21 years to match Henry's production of just 1932 3W, 5W and roadsters...... Add in over 120,000 Tudors and ........37,000 ForDors .......over 6000 Cabriolets ...over ...8500 Victorias plus the low production ones......B400's, Station wagons, Sport coupes and Sedan Deliveries.....and such.... The Grand total is.........276,906 or 5538 Deuces in every one of the 50 states. That is over 625 fiberglass cars a month..each and every month for over 21 years...to match Henry's production of 32 Fords. I find it very hard to believe that over 340 Fiberglass ( 3W, 5W and roadster ) cars have been made each and every month for 21 years. There may be a bunch of fiberglass 32's in California but how about Iowa ? or Rhode Island ? I don't think so. Nor do I believe that there has been over 86 thousand fiberglass 32's ever made. As a side note........Henry made over 10 million Model A's..........or 30 Model A's for every one Deuce..... You do the math........ .
DR, I've heard that same BS about there being more '32's in reproduction than Henry built in 1932. The story started circulating here after Wescott had been building '32 Roadsters for about 4/5 years. Thanks for the reality check, it might be true someday, just not today. Frank
OK...let see....nine times seven..carry the five...no..wait...shit...gotta start over...eight times six..equals...oh nevermind.
[ QUOTE ] Damn, Ford was a very, very busy place in '32. Impressive. [/ QUOTE ] That's not a bunch of cars. Some years he made 3 million Model A's. Ford production was the lowest in 1932 than in many years.....before and after. It was the worse year of the Depression Era. Ford lost (documented) 75 Million dollars in 1932. That's when a brand new Ford Roadster was less than $500. As a side note...there were 32 separate Ford manufacturing plants for the 1932 model year in the USA. There was 1 in Charlotte NC. I have a employee badge from there. The plant was closed for 1933, never to reopen.
"As a side note........Henry made over 10 million Model A's.........." "Some years he made 3 million Model A's." Oh really? I just thought the official production were: 1927 4,186 1928 677,289 1929 1,561,465 1930 991,020 1931 274,701 1932 1527 Making a grand total of 3,724,747 Those are the numbers on the MAFCA website. And there are of course others that claim different figures but they are not that far apart. Maybe you have other sources than me but you just doubled the production numbers I've always heard. While I totally agree on your logic about how many 32s you must built per month during our reproduction era in order to outdo Henry, if your making the Model A stuff up, it does put some shadow on your other truths. /Mikael
In my town there is 1 origional deuce roadster that I know of. There are several glass ones. Granted, most of the origionals were lost over the years, I still think anywhere you go in the country you'll probably find more glass than origionals in the roadsters. At least that's what I see. Closed cars are different. Not that many of them have been repopped yet. Most of the coupes are still real 32's Figuring just under 9000 for Deluxe roadster production from most of the sources I've seen, I can believe there are more than that number on the roads and in the shows today between the surviving 32s and the repops.
[quote Making a grand total of 3,724,747 if your making the Model A stuff up, it does put some shadow on your other truths. [/ QUOTE ] I know almost nothing about Model A's...except I like them ....... ......... NEVER owned one...been a Deuce owner for over 30 years. I read the 10 Million number somewhere..........just like the statement "there are more 32's on the road now than Ford ever made" .......which is on Roadsters.com site. Using your MAFCA numbers and my Ford Archives numbers still means that there was 14 Model A's for every Deuce...... It is very interesting that Henry sold any vechicles in 1931 and 1932. The Depression was very, very bad during those years. There were no government aid programs like today. Just long lines at soup kitchens. A good many auto makers went under or slid so far.....they went under soon after 1932. WWII also took a lot of the Model A's and Deuces for scrap metal drives. They were just old cars then. That's partly why 1932 Arizona license tags are very rare. They were COPPER.......something very much in demand for the war effort. Your Model A numbers should be the most correct.....I stand corrected......
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