Projects OT: Dodge HT413

Anyone know any info on these? How hard are parts to find for them?

 

Not sure what the HT specifically stands for, but I shouldn't imagine getting 413 parts is very difficult. Mancini, even Indy, all still do 413 work, and many others. I'd bet any local parts house has all of the standard rebuild components either in stock or a day away, and regular B motor intakes, exhaust, cams, etc, all fit.

 

Easy.. what do you need? Everything is available for Wedge Engines..

 

I don't need anything right now since the engine is complete. However, it has been sitting for about 12 years and I am planning to put it in my 47 Dodge 1 ton.

I ask because i've heard that the truck or industrial engines might be hard to find parts for.

Are there any power/torque numbers for it? It has a factory 4BBL.

 

360 HP and around 450 lb/ft at like 3800 rpm..something like that..

 

The 361 and 413 truck engines use very few of the same parts as the B/RB p*** car and light truck big blocks.

Heads, exhaust manifolds, front cover are definitely different, crank flange is different, uses a reverse rotation cam with a gear drive etc.

You can probably find parts at an industrial engine rebuilder for those.

read this thread

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326687&highlight=413+440

 

I didnt know that Don was on here...I have his book, signed by him...
I've always been under the impression you can still build the Industrial 413's just the same as the p***enger car engines.I believe the block is physically the same.

 

depending on year, and if it's a -2 or -3, anywhere from 200-238 hp at 3600, and 362-407 ft lbs at 2000 rpm

 

The block MIGHT be the same, but not much else is.

 

Great info. Keep it coming if there is any more...

 

It has a 4 BBL, so I believe that makes it a -3.

 

yeah, it should be a -3

generally the newer the engine, the more power it made. What year do you have?

 

yeah i was going off of p***enger car 413's, wow what a difference in performance numbers..

 

I don't know yet. The motor home that it was in was basically just a ch***is. I have found that they stopped using the 413 after 1973, so it is at least a 73.

I haven't looked at the bottom side of the block yet for the casting numbers. That is the best place to look, right?

 

yeah, should be pretty obvious

 

Big difference between trucks, industrial and motor home engines. The motor home RB engines were used as late as 1981 (to consume supplies) and are very much like the p*** car engines. The single biggest visual difference is the water pump. The cylinder heads have different water jacket arrangement to better cool the head but p*** car heads will bolt onto the block without issues. The exhaust manifolds are prone to cracking right down the centre because of high heat generated by idiot drivers but are very efficient and the only decent iron manifold that fits in the pickups.

Try putting "dodge motor home 413" into you search engine and start reading.

How about some pics ????

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Interesting stuff guys, There's one on C-List here and I was thinking about picking it up.
500.00 is what the guys wants, but it's in the M-home and not running. I think
I can make a deal and get the ****** too. If it is the "car" big block (short block), I'd only have
to change to a better set of heads and water pump. Right?

Jeff

 

If it is the truck 440, the stock heads are not bad, especially with a bowl port and gasket matching. If it is a 413 truck motor, lot's more to change.

 

Save that driveshaft, someone with a ball and trunnion will want it.

 

thats an early Torqueflite pre 62

 

I can see where you would think that because of the emergency brake on the tail like that, but that is a Truck 727 Loadflite, used in heavy trucks and motorhomes in the 60's and 70's, maybe into the 80's.

 

No, it is just from a truck or other commercial/industrial vehicle.

There are no rules for chrysler industrial stuff. The only thing you will see is vague trends.

 

They used the E Brake style Torqueflites after 62? I find that very hard to believe..They stopped using that set up after 1961

 

With all Mopar stuff, you have to be careful about over generalizations. I have a 440 from a Motorhome that is a p***enger car block. If you look at the exhaust manifold bolts, you can also see the difference. Straight across is a p***enger head while the industrial has staggered bolts on the end like this ( / - - \ ).

My engine has a forged crank and the heavy 6-pack rods. Getting ready for an overhaul (rings and bearings) before I ****on up the Plymouth.

 

Those cylinder heads and waterpump are made of unobtanium, and garbage for any kind of Hot Rod Build. If they're not cracked, an RV guy might pay a pretty penny for them.

Good thing though, regular 440 heads, intake and waterpump will bolt right on. Aside from the bore, they are identical to the 440, so anything that fits a 440 will fit it.

You didn't say what they're asking for it, but I've paid anywhere between $800 for a HP 440 and $350 for a non-HP 350 horse 440.

 

I have a 1979 Dodge Truck Service Manual that shows the Loadflite with the e-Brake on it.

 

whoa..learn something new everyday..wow..ok then...

 

how about cleaning off the rest of the numbers?

(looks early 70s from the electronic ignition)

on the e brake thing...my 1975 travco has the e brake in the brakes, not the trans, but the trans brake was used thru the 70s

 

The -1, -3, and -5 refer to the nickel content in the block, nothing else. The higher the number, the higher the nickel content.

The big differences in the MH/Truck RB413/440 engines and car/pickup versions are:

-MH/Truck has the water pump that flows directly into the heads.
-MH/Truck intake and exhaust manifolds are different, but will physically swap.
-NOT ALL MH/Truck engine cams are gear driven nor reverse-rotation - you'll find the reverse-rotation will be found mostly in marine applications w/two 440 or 413 engines side-by-side - one will be reverse-rotation, the other will not be. Like everything, there ARE exceptions on the R-R cam applications.
-The same exceptions apply to the B361, which was in cars, pickups, and medium-trucks from 1958 - 1966, then just trucks and RVs only from 1967 through 1978, which was the final model year for all Chrysler B/RB production. Yes, you will find some later castings through early 1979, but these were factory replacement warranty engines.