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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Country Joe, May 28, 2022.

  1. indyjps
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    Check the radiator cap and pressure, I don't know what's appropriate for that cooling system - HAMB please chime in

    Verify with shop if they boiled or cleaned the radiator.

    Do you have a spring in the lower radiator hose to prevent collapse.

    Nice shroud that will help :)
     
  2. Johnny Gee
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    Have you check the timing curve of that unit. Meaning does it advance as you'd expect or does it retard?
     
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  3. lippy
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    If the radiator is insufficent or plugged or the waterpump is kaboshed, the shroud will not help. Mark is right , down the hiway no water flow is the culprit. In town it could be both, no waterflow and no air flow. JMO. I don't like the looks of that radiator for some reason. Or the shroud. There I said it. Lippy
     
  4. HOTRODPRIMER
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    Is your water pump pullet smaller than the crank pulley? HRP
     
  5. HOTRODPRIMER
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    I'm not a fan of electric fan's (excuse the pun), I have fought hot rods running hot for years and tried everything I could think of including multiple electric fans and shrouds,all kinds of re-cored ,copper/br*** and aluminum radiators, I've used all the water wetter snake oils and over the years I learned a few things.

    Use a good radiator, my preference is copper/br***, It worked for all the car & trucks makers through the mid 60's.

    I also use a 6 1/4" water pump pull pulley and a 7 1/4" crank pulley

    I use a high quality STEEL mechanical fan as big as I can fit behind the radiator, I have a 17" on both my cars.

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    I use a Zips riser when running a small block Chevy, it raises the center of the water pump up 5". most of the time that will center your mechanical fan.

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    My old beater will sit in bumper to bumper traffic and the hottest I have ever seen is 190 and that;s sitting for almost a hour. HRP
     
  6. chessterd5
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    I don't think that is the right water pump pulley. It's too big which means it is turning the water pump slower than it is supposed to.
    A chevy straight six water pump pulley will bolt up to a small block but they are different sizes.
     
  7. Country Joe
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    The crank pulley is 7" and the wp is 6".
     
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  8. Country Joe
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    OK. tested out the fan shroud. Same result.
    But, after the drive, I started feeling around and noticed , the top rad hose and tank was HOT to the touch. The lower hose and tank were cool. So, I started the engine to get the water moving and felt the lower hose did not warm up.
    When I had the radiator out and all the hoses off, I could see inside. There was no sludge or build up on what I could see. It actually looked pretty clean to me.
     
  9. sunbeam
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    Heat gun check the radiator from side to side for cold areas.
     
  10. hepme
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    I had a coupe that had almost the exact problems you've got. I did everything ($$$) and bawled too. Had a Walker rad. in it, new. I called and spoke to him direct, of course he said i needed a "bore type" rad. (for motors that have been bored) and wanted $$. Bottom line--used a Stewart high flow pump (think it was 80gpm), mech. 6 blade fan covering as much rad. as i could get, homemade shroud covering 1/2 the blades, and fab'd "deflectors" for the front of the rad. to steer as much air as i could get into it. Also a 180 tstat, don't go lower since it needs to hold the water for the rad. to do its job. I also put a small pusher electric fan in front for idle in traffic, hardly every had to use it. It worked for me.
     
  11. HOTRODPRIMER
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    Have you tested the system by removing the thermostat. HRP
     
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  12. Country Joe
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    Not yet.


    I treated the cooling system with Prestone cleaner. After running the engine per directions, I waited for it to cool and drained and flushed. It wasn't dirty at all. However,after the radiator was empty, I looked inside the filler and saw a piece of plastic sitting right on top of the tubes.. It says General Pump on it. Anyone recognize this piece of plastic?
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  13. jaracer
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    That pretty much tells you that you aren't getting any flow through the radiator. Also realize that you only need to have less than an 1/8 inch of crud in a tube at one end to stop all flow through that tube, not something you can visually tell. A good radiator shop should have a flow bench, but there aren't that many good shops left. I think it is time to see about getting it rodded. That's where you take off one tank and run a flat metal bar through each tube.
     
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  14. lippy
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    That looks like something from a Yamatic pressure washer pump! Lippy
     
  15. Kevin Ardinger
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    I remember radiator guys plugging the lower port, fill the radiator then remove the plug and water should gush out about a foot or more if it is flowing properly.
     
  16. This!! Almost always the answer..

    Ben
     
  17. sdluck
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    you didn't answer the question.
     
  18. Greg Rogers
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    I had a car that I installed a aluminum radiator in. I put the top tank where it looked best. Then had a huge overheating problem- always- idling- at highway speeds.... always. Someone said radiator was too high- needs to push coolant up to go thru radiator. I lowered radiator and it was better, still tended to get hot at times but a lot better. Maybe your issue????
     
  19. Country Joe
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  20. Country Joe
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    TDC has been verified and the balancer TDC mark in right on with the engine being TDC.
     
  21. Country Joe
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    I did this today several times. I filled the radiator then pulled the hose and it gushed out empty in about 3 seconds.
     
  22. Country Joe
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    I need to get a hold of a timing light and check on it.
     
  23. Country Joe
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    I hate to go down this path of thinking head gasket. But, I did notice a light white smoke out the tail pipe. I checked the oil and it looks good, not milky. Is there way to check for a bad head gasket without taking off the heads? I would hate to tear it all down just to find good head gaskets.
     
  24. I know this sounds completely impossible,,,,,,could the water pump inlet be blocked?
    I remember reading on here years ago about a very similar occurrence on a SBC.
    The inlet had a plastic plug installed from the vendor,,,,,,it took a very long time ,,,,but they finally found it .
    Have you inspected the water pump,,,,and double checked it is correct rotation as well ?

    Tommy
     
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  25. Moriarity
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    If it is making white smoke out the tailpipe does the exhaust smell sweet? . Stick your finger inside the tailpipe, is it wet? Touch your finger to your tongue. Antifreeze tastes sweet. I have done this a lot, no it won’t kill you. If it’s burning coolant there isn’t a radiator large enough to cool it.
     
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  26. BJR
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    When did this become a ****o site?:eek::D:p
     
  27. Mr48chev
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  28. 1971BB427
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    I'd give the shop that fixed it a call and ask if they checked anything else. If they weren't asked to clean it out, or check it, I doubt they would.
     
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  29. Country Joe
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    @Mr48chev
    Here is the inside. image000002 (1).jpg image000001 (6).jpg image000000 (15).jpg
     
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  30. sdluck
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    ?I ***ume it is a no name brand hei,the mechanical advance is very slow and the vacuum advance is adj and usually also needs adjustment.
    I have corrected this many times esp with overheating problems
     
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