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Projects Paint for Steel Wheels

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by RayMoray, Feb 8, 2024.

  1. RayMoray
    Joined: Dec 5, 2018
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    RayMoray

    I am hoping to fit these jeep rims to my '30 model A, they are new from MD Juan.

    They have arrived with a powder coat, can anyone advise on the best plan for painting these?

    I would like to get them to match the original black paint of the fenders of my car if possible.

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  2. Budget36
    Joined: Nov 29, 2014
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    Curious what we are looking at here?
     
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  3. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    jnaki

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    @Budget36



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    These are the only ones found... Here are those photos. A simple copy and paste procedure...computers and mouse pads do tricks that an actual "mouse highlighting" or button copy normally does easily. No track pad for these old fingers...HA!


    Hello,
    Wow, those are nicely finished. No paint in the history will stand up to those powder coated rims. There has to be a way to use them on your car. More photos perhaps of the intended application?

    Jnaki

    As a repeat user of plenty of spray cans of different color paints and the more powerful polyurethane paint versions to epoxy sprays + an overlay of clear... nothing does it better than powder coating. But, you will have your own powder coating story and results... It will depend on your current applications. YRMV
     
  4. Oneball
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    Are you sure that’s powder coat and not an e-coat?
     
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  5. Budget36
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    All I see is 3 holes, in a line and a large off white-ish full border! Lol
     
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  6. Budget36
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    I copied and pasted the above pic from my phone.
     
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  7. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    jnaki

    Hey B36,

    Go to the profile page for RayMoray. Go to the albums section. If I am correct, it is posted the same way. Sometimes, posting photos in those profile pages and here on the HAMB from phones does not always come out good or correct. Laptops + desktop screens and computers have better connections and normally do not screw up photos. But, only if one copies and pastes correctly... and in the right place and size.

    Some folks copy and paste full size from the internet and everything is blurry. Reduce the size and we all get to see in focus or close to in focus old photos. Most old photos were about hand size and not 8x10 size.

    Jnaki

    For some reason, the photos in the album section has the same dots, but also has included the links
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    Try those from your phone, but the laptops screen and power, or computer power will show those clearly. YRMV
     
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  8. flynbrian48
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    I can't see your photos, but steel is steel, just paint them whatever color you want, with the usual raw steel prep. I painted mine, one pair used, one pair new, with the same color as the rest of the car. I have had stuff powered coated, and don't see any advantage over paint if you're going for a specific, matching color. 1DE86E35-06A9-4C52-818B-851C2DC61635.jpeg
     
  9. FlatJan
    Joined: Dec 13, 2013
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    FlatJan

    paint can be retouched..difficult with powder
     
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  10. dart4forte
    Joined: Jun 10, 2009
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    from Mesa, AZ

    I’ve done powder coating. Depending on the material you may have to chemically strip off that base coat. My advice is to take it to a powdercoater. Problem with powder coat is that once cured it fills all the pores in the metal. Nothing for a top coat to adhere to.

    You might want to do some experimenting by taking one rim and give it a good scuff with a red scotch bright pad. Then clean with a good grease and wax remover. Take a can of semi gloss and spray the wheel. Let it cure overnight. After that check the results. If the semigloss adheres to the wheel go from there.
     
  11. A 2 B
    Joined: Dec 2, 2015
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    from SW Ontario

    Adhesion is the biggest drawback. I have lightly dusted powder coated parts with the sandblaster, to remove the sheen to provide some tooth. Sometimes it could be beneficial to prime/prep the surfaces after blasting as well, avoiding any compatibility issues. Test on a small area beforehand.
     
  12. Ducbsa
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    from Virginia

    Model A hubs need a special adapter for conventional wheels.
     
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  13. duecesteve
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    Never liked powder coat. I feel powder coat is only good for show cars and bikes that don't see any type of weather,, my father had '35 rims on his ,' 29 coupe powder coated red and within 2 years they started to rust. And it sat in a garage the only time it got wet was from washing. I'll rattle can them at least they are easy touchup.
     
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  14. Gotta disagree with you there....... PC is great, and i won't ever spray small parts again......My ride has= PC wheels, rotors,front suspension,rear suspension, every little bracket,engine stuff, and then some...........Almost 20 years now..... Never a fade, never a touch up, and wax with pledge! AND= I did this all myself with a take out household electric oven!!!!
    Maybe your PC'er wasn't up to snuff? There's always going to be the for's, and against's...........Car is driven in ALL seasons........Results may vary........ Ain't no "show" as you say car, but, A DIY built, lasting, trouble free, and never having to worry about my PC is where i'm at.............. MERCURY5 002.jpg
     
  15. clem
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    I will add to this, maybe experiment on the inside of the wheel, just on the flat part that contacts the hub, in case it reacts with the powder coating.

    Although I would recommend contacting the supplier first and try to find out what paint is compatible with what you have.
    May save a lot of grief………
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  16. clem
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    where is the link to the tech thread ?
    I would love to know more !
     
  17. rusty valley
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    Geeze, I thought my computer was gonna over heat and blow a gasket waiting for the pics to show up, which they never did. We are not trying to print counterfeit dollar bills here, can you guys turn down the resolution on your pics so they will load up with out going on a pee break? I can watch videos and movies, its not my connection. And yeah, powder coat sucks, and paint em what ever color you like. Pick a color and paint em like this... ED2E8F4B-087C-4D98-91AD-0E6490778B69.jpeg 8CA77411-ECEE-4913-8F49-E20CE59F2F27.jpeg
     
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  18. JD Miller
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    I thought I was the only one that thinks powder coat sucks :D

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  19. duecesteve
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    Nice. Merc always loved those! I'm glad that works ,I've heard of cooking powder coating in an old oven . But New England is tough. And your right it does depends on the shop doing the work. But pop spent about 175 bucks a rim to do his wheels and they had alot of Orange peel . I was not impressed and I went to high school for auto body and love to paint . I like my base coat clear coat.
     
  20. 05snopro440
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    Pores in the metal? No. There are not pores in the metal to fill. Powdercoat is a polymer that melts and adheres to the metal through mechanical adhesion, to the surface profile of the metal. That's the reason for blasting prior to powder coat, to get rid of anything on the surface and to leave a slight surface profile for the powder coat to adhere to.

    To paint a powder coated surface, you need to create a surface profile by sanding/scuffing it. Then your best bet is to prime it for that mechanical adhesion, so that when you apply the paint it also has something to chemically adhere to as well as mechanically.

    My truck has had powdercoated wheels for 12 years. I've been in wild rain storms and all kinds of weather, no issue. If your powdercoated part has orange peel and is rusting, it wasn't powder coated well. I spent around $250 Canadian for a set of four wheels on my truck.
     
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  21. duecesteve
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    All the powder coating I've ever seen has been applied over bare metal , never have I seen it applied over primer ? It definately does not work on boat trailer wheels that go in the ocean even after being washed really well afterwards.
     
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  22. 05snopro440
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    I think you need to read it again.

    Powdercoat needs a clean metal surface. IF you're painting over powdercoat, priming over the powdercoat and then painting is best.

    Edit: Any coated surface in contact with ocean water only protects it's substrate as long as it provides an impermeable coating. Paint or powdercoat often get scratched by installing wheel nuts, the tire, wheel weights, etc. Also depending on how thick the coating was applied, it may have pores through the coating to the substrate. That type of porosity is much more obvious when immersed in ocean water.
     
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  23. duecesteve
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    Sorry my bad I did misread it thanx .
     
  24. verde742
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    Those Jeep wheels look like they are 14 inch, will they fit over your chosen drums ?

    AND ARE you planning on hubcaps? which ones ?
     
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  25. JG-Man
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  26. dirt car
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    from nebraska

    I've a full set of those real deal Jeep 16" rims, always considered welding hub cap nubs on them for early Ford/Merc caps but thought better of it thinking some military enthusiast would cringe at the thought, still pigeonholed for now.
     
  27. V8-m
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    from Alaska

    I prefer traditional paint. A lot of work but it's worth it.
     

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