I prep & paint vehicles for a living. I use nice equipment at work and have an endless air supply. Running four to five DA sanders while someone is painting is standard in our shop. I use equipment that I would never use at home. Composite guns, disposable tips and cup systems, pressure pots, gravity feed guns are normal. Other people's money. Although I can use my work equipment and space for my own projects, I don't. When I am tinkering at home I use a couple of siphon feed Devilbiss JGA-502s and a Binks copy made probably 50 plus years ago. It just seems right. I can imagine the original owners of these paint guns finishing off that cigarette just before shooting a quarter panel or whole car with these old guns. Does anyone else enjoy old paint equipment or do you paint you 70 year old vehicle with modern technology?
When I managed a body shop we had sata's etc but when I painted at home I just used my 130.00 sharpes paint gun from napa. If you know how the paint itself lays out to me there's not a whole lot of difference between guns. Used to be, basf you could put the base on heavier but easy on the clear, dupont was the opposite, easy on the base and heavier on the clear. Once I learned that a spray gun name really didn't matter much... .
Im not a fan of old paint guns. Paint cost $$$$ I see no need to waste it with an old gun. But I dig old tools and dont care if you use an old gun. Carry on Did a test with students spraying with a hvlp and a siphon. Other than the larger amount of overspray and reduced efficiency, the siphon gun sprayed great. Even for a student using one for the first time. we sprayed test panels using each gun spraying the same material/paint code. All the panels looked great. But the siphon wasted a lot of material. We then shot single stage silver enamel through both guns. Both looked like ****py single stage metallic. The siphon gun mottled a tad but that’s a user error.
I'll have to agree that the new folks should get used to the new stuff, but I am going to stick with my old stuff.
Nope. Both of those guns belong in a museum, or the garbage. No modern paint product is intended to be sprayed by anything but a HVLP gun. None. Not any. Using a siphon gun is a great way to waste as much product as possible, into the atmosphere, and on to everything nearby. Even a Harbor Freight purple gun is light years ahead in technology than a JGA-502, or a Binks 7. When I spray with a HVLP, my filters are barely changed in color. Do it with a siphon gun and you might be changing filters every few hours. I seriously question the quality of the eyesight of anyone using a siphon gun. The results are visibly not the same, and my customers won't tolerate it.
I still have my Binks #7 with agitating cup & my Sharp 75 or 775? but have not used them since I picked up my 1st HVLP Dev.Finishline gun when they came out 25-30? years ago. Love disposable cups, lids, etc, saves so much in product, clean up & so on. I have 2 really old guns, one has a gl*** cup that I don't think has ever been used, just as collector pieces Like I need more collector items! God Bless Bill https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/
I’m using the TP Tools turbine HVLP system which is stand alone with their guns. But I’m using Dupli color paint shop lacquer . It is my universe of experience
Not sure I understand the question, the choice, or indeed the poorly shadowed reverence. I have an open reverence for my old DeVilbiss MBC, the 1st gun I ever picked up. No, I don't use it. I shamlessly use an Iwata and Sata. The Iwata solved MY problem with new matl application. Many of my cars have entered judging. The day they need a sworn statement or proof of HOW I DID THE JOB they can kiss my hairy ***. So now, please explain "practice what you preach" in the context of this topic. Because it sounds like I need to build on a dirt floor 1 car garage, 2 old 150W incandescent light bulbs and an old cord drop light, only stick or gas welding, chain falls from a timber, a Lucky Strike hangin, lead and wood paddles, and lacquer only cut with 600, rubbed with old gouge level DRX 16 compound, and finish polished with a home brew mix of cornstarch, water and mineral oil. Practice that **** preacher...
I bought a cheap (but their high end) gravity gun from HF, and hung up my 50 year old, drippy DeVilbiss. It does a much better job, for me, a casual hobbyist. Like theHIGHLANDER, I wonder why you ***led your comment that way.
I still use an old Binks #7 for the high build primer I use. It's the only gun I have that can spray and flow it out without reducing it. The old timers I know who used these routinely had either a pipe or cigar lit up and a Schlitz, Old Style or PBR open and at the ready. Could be a reason most died relatively young, but glad I was taught by them back in the day and miss those days dearly.
****. I forgot about the old school compounds. And considering 600 grit as “fine grit sand paper” Don’t miss that garbage at all. As far as regulations for using a siphon gun, the EPA standard is transfer efficiency. HVLP and compliment regular pressure guns (RPs) are what they look for. Is there a siphon that meets the transfer efficiency of a minimum of 60%? I don’t know. but EPA rules are tiered by the waste generated from a shop. Most dont apply to small home shops. But you dont want the EPA to find a siphon gun in a professional shop of any size. Or that’s at least how I understand the rules. Governments get a lot of things wrong but forcing out siphon guns isn’t one of them.
Reading this just makes me more glad that I don't paint. Rattle cans maybe just a wee bit, but I don't paint. Leaving that for someone who knows what they're doing
I still have all my old paint guns including a Binks Model 7 and even a pressure pot that was my dad’s. But, I haven’t used any of those old guns in years after getting my gravity fed HVLP about 30 years ago that I suppose could also be considered pretty old now... I do still paint outside at times and never in a paint booth like I did 40 years ago though...
Like Highlander I love my old DeVilbiss MBC as I could do good paint work with it. As an amateur that gun made me look good as it did flawless paint. My friend Randy wanted to paint his 69 Ford van, his brother's 70 Ford van and I wanted to paint my 69 VW bug. We were laid off for the summer of 1976 so I bought a compressor, DeV MBC spraygun, regulator, filter etc to paint with. Randy knew how to paint so he showed me the ropes. I could do decent body work so we were a good team. The vans were built in the rusty Ford years and we made up patches and had a friend weld them in for us. The panels fit great and the filler was thin to none to make them look right. One day he was hopping mad as he was showing some coffee buddies all the work we did replacing rusty and new paint.They called bull and said no way he could do that level of work. I said to him to take it as a compliment because if they thought it was too professional job than then we did a great job. Take pride in that. I have used a HVLP for our last paint and can work with it. I agree that the HVLP puts the paint where its needed and not put a dusting of over spray everywhere. I rented my compressor and gear for years to painters who painted cars for folks on the side so I got my investment back over time and then some.
Lol I remember the first time somebody told me to finish sand with 600 grit. I said the paint ain't gonna stick!
I have 1 siphon gun left. I've had it for years, always kept lacquer primer in it. Once I stopped using lacquer primer I cleaned it out, and it hangs on the paint bench, because we've been together for years it always has this nasty look when it sees me painting, because we used to be friends, and now he lost his job lol. In my opinion, I get paid to do slick work, and customers pay for just that, evolution gave me a better way to spray paint, and that's what I use now. I mean seriously, if babbit bearings were a good design, wouldn't engines still have them?
I sprayed my truck at home last summer suing an Iwata LPH 400. Best gun I have used and the best results I have ever experienced. Sometimes more is more.
You are correct, Sir. The concern is about environmental impact. Before the nuts jump on my head and try to make this political, the environmental impact is WASTE! You are throwing product away (while you get inferior results), and good coatings are not cheap!
I buy used Binks guns for about 15 bucks and shoot my Weldwood glue threw. Never have to clean the guns. Just refill when empty and shoot some more. I do replace them for another from time to time. They fall off the bench and eventually break. They do take a beating.
Back when the MBC was THE GUN to use there were these fkn guys who could pile on the material with very little waste and good film build. They used a slow solvent and shot lacquer almost like it was enamel. Not much excess on the floor or in the air. Gutsy *******s, they could do 12 or 15 lacquer coats vs 25 or 30. Yeah, I was one of those. And then high tech 1000 paper showed up and I'd save the worn out sheets for finer sanding. Do I miss that? Aww hell no...
I remember the old days HIGHLANDER one time I had a job given to me had to have it done in a day, I repar a peeling roof on a truck and the shop was full did it out back of the shop shot it in lacquer left it sit there in the sun. Cut it with 600 buffed it with the brown 3M compound that lacquer cut and buffed like iron, We use the 3M primer guns work great just through the tip and liner.
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