Painter's Sickness???

Thanks Guys, I don't know where else I'd ask about such.

 

when you say a respirator,you mean a cartridge respirator with pretty new cartridges right? also if thats what you are using did you make sure it sealed correctly? if you had cartridges out in the open air, the activated carbon will continue to react to everything around it,until it quits working. if you put a set of cartridges on your mask,once you are done painting, you need to remove them and seal each one in a small ziplock bag. if you were painting with one of those dust masks, thats why you are sick, a lot of people think they can paint in those. they won't do anything against paint vapors.

 

If you were wearing a 3m respirator I would****ume it has cartridges , as suggested already. I personally wouldn't think one time of spraying would make you sick , but I could be wrong. Most paint related illnesses are due to long term exposure.

As for painting in short sleeves and not wearing eye protection ,again I wouldn't think that spraying one time would make you sick. I shouldn't say this ,but I paint in short sleeves and don't wear eye protection at all. Never have, and I work in a large production shop, and have never had any health issues. Always ,always wear a good respirator though.

 

Usually you would get symtoms like asthma or hives. Google sensitivity to isocianates or automotive paint/ hardners or catalysts. Read some info about it. It sounds like a cold or flu is what you have --I hope.

The tissue in your eyes absorbs vapors and chemicals faster than most other body parts. It's nothing to fool with if you are really sensitive.

overspray

 

Read this

http://www.sp2.org/newsletters/sp2vol1iss8/sp2vol1iss8topic.php

Gary

 

How stupid.Did you get while painting,I call this stupor.When I get too much exposure I get headaches. Sometimes a sore throat Only takes a day to pass. Sounds like allergies. If no fever don't worry about it.Never paint without proper respirator Filters or cartridges.If you inhale hardner it can be fatal.

 

Its nothing to fool with!

Gary

 

the reason i said that is 3m makes those dust masks too, some people think those do the same thing as a respirator, or if they have a respirator,they don't fit check it,and breathe the vapors through the edges.

 

It's Swine Flu....lol

 

rember that hardner is CYNIDE the stuff that kills you
got my dose of it 25 years ago, not a good feeling
painting is kinda nasty game, used to cough and spit and wash my skin and glasses in thinner, dont miss that much!!

 

don't want to handle that thinner with your bare hands, hell don't handle any of that stuff with your bare hands, i had a good auto collision teacher,lost a kidney from years of handling chemicals and washing his hands with thinner, his health is ruined even today from the stuff. Some people try to act tough about it, the reason they used to handle it was no one knew better then. same thing with used motor oil now, until all the skin cancers started showing up, and they made the connection, no one knew leaving the used stuff on your bare hands was dangerous. handle all your painting chemicals like they can kill you, if you are careless, they may not get you today,but they will come back and bite you in the**** later on in life.

 

Regular Respirators do not protect against Isocyanates (hardener).

 

i've always been told they are ok for occasional use but not for use day in and day out exposure to the stuff.

 

Using any thing with Chemicals is a serious Matter.. A full hooded resporator with fresh air and a full suit with gloves is the way to go.. I was diagnosed with serious lung problems , and its my fault.. Any thinners or MEK or acetones, even Alumiprep and alodine , will get your organs.. if not now.. wait for a while.. it does not go away.. as for Lead.. It maybe just fumes.. when melted.. but it does not go away.. it eats at the lungs..

 

Sounds liek you arent using the proper mask. Even if..the***** still gets thru. It is bad stuff, im not going to go on a shpeal about the damaging effects. Some people it hurts right away, some it doesnt. It will make you sick. Hell im only 22, been painting for about 5-6 years and ive got some bad side effects, terrible hives, hell ive got discoloration of my skin because of the hives were so bad. Headaches, stomach aches etc. Im trying to get out of the field why i can. Its nasty, but just try and not expose yourself too much and im sure youll be okay. But im no doctor either lol.

 

I started in the trade like a fool when I was 14.. Im 49 now.. If I could change what has happened , Id be more than happy.. Education on these products were very laxed back then.. Not like now.. if your caught in a booth with out the proper gear.. and the health and safety come through.. Make sure you have deep pockets.. I have seen some one die in a booth when I was 17.... it scared the***** out of me..
Isocyanates, is a very hard thing to proove when the comp claim has to be filed..

Dont take the products for granted.. even spray bombs..

 

I taught auto body classes for about 15 years and got my share of isocyanate exposure. The hardener is the stuff that really gets to you, and it's absorbed through the skin, eyes, etc. as well as the lungs. The most common symptom is a creepy-crawly feel to your skin, like bugs are crawling all over you, followed by some of the other symptoms folks here have described. Kidney failure and other organs functioning at sub-par levels are the final stages of the accumulative poisoning.

Wear gloves and a full-coverage disposable coverall, and use filtered air supplied from outside the paint booth if possible, supplied directly to your respirator.
Jerry

 

PPE= PERSONAL protective equipment....... your responsible for yourself...

 

more threads on this that well I have a opinion on....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310312

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308529

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309308


Stupidity ...

 

I used to paint, 6pm to 2am. ,Monday tru Fri. I would paint 1 to 3 completes a night and maybe 5 or 6 spot jobs a night. Every night I would close up walk out to my car and puke in the parking lot, I lost a lot of weight. I started wearing a suit and supied air res. sickness stopped. I quit painting about 10 years ago.

 

You were told wrong.
Isocyanates can not be metabolized by the human body,
so they accumulate in your system.
By the time you realize there is a problem, it's too late.

 

Does it make anyone else but me mad when you see guys like Chip Foose on tv spraying paint in a booth with Zero protective gear ?? that is a nice example to teach the novice painters , I had to puke several times when I first started painting the newer paints (I hadn't painted in over 20 years) before I started asking some questions and bought a Hobbie system ( which sorta*****s but was reasonably priced) and I haven't puked from a paint job since.
Tv show should set a better example.

Edsel

 

Charlie used to wear a proper suit, working at Boyd's.

 

Dude, you're sick. I got the same***** going on. You said you were doing it outside so unless you stood right in the vapors on a totally calm day I have a hard time believing it's the paint. I know several people that are suffering the same***** as you and I. It's going around.

 

I checked my cartridges and they are rated for isocyanites, i'm using a binks respirator with dual cartridges. I had ordered the cartridges specifically for the isocyanites. the only warning they have is not to go below a certain oxygen content. One good point i should have brought up is to check your mask with the banannna oil stuff, if you can smell it with it on and the straps adjusted properly, your mask isn't sealed. I keep some in the booth and occasionally try to see if i can smell it, if i can time to get out.

 

There is no such thing as occassional use.

 

well my cartridges i bought are good for isocynanites, as long as there is sufficient oxygen, i'm very careful about keeping my mask in good condition and checking to make sure it's working right. I don't take chances, there are people who depend on me. I'm not one of these idiots who spray with a bandana

 

here is some really good info on isocyanites, the main thing with a cartridge type respirator, is they will protect you but you have to change the cartridges at specific intervals according to the person who made them's technical info. if you don't they won't continue to protect you. they have a specific time interval, then the cartridges have to be discarded and replaced. thats the main advantage to using air supplied equipment, you don't have a time limit. if you follow the manufactures information you should be find using a quality cartridge respirator for the home paint job. make sure you folow the instructions with your mask and leak test,and fit test it. here's the info. http://www.labsafety.com/refinfo/printpage.htm?page=/refinfo/ezfacts/ezf233.htm

 

Respirators are not traitional, go old school with paper towels stuck in your nose. the paper towels are so you dont get the paint-boogers. JK

 

This thread has been discussed many times on many forums. Nobody likes to spend hundreds of dollars for a respirator and air pump. I've never met anyone who did just one paint job. If you like the feeling of accomplishment, you will do many paint jobs in your life. It's not safe period. All because it doesn't kill you instantly doesn't mean it isn't damaging you. I'm not the safety police, I just want people to understand how dangerous this stuff is. I bought a forced air respirator about 8 years ago. I hate using it. If I'm going to paint, I'm going to force myself to use it. Yes, the hoses get tangled up. Yes, it needs a new shield quite often. Yes, I can't see as good as without it. All the things that you think are a pain are true. But when it's time to put up the paint gun, I feel just like I did when I started.