Photos and the Friday Art Show

yeah.. I know you are in the biz. standing by that statement makes you a jerk with a camera regardless of the quality of your photos. you are insulting everyone who likes taking pictures at shows and posting them here.

 

And here's mine:

http://public.fotki.com/2002p51/

 

Not everyone, just the ones who post them on Friday Art Shows and try to pass them off as art.
and you

But thanks for generalizing my generalization.

I wouldn't call Don Dillard's (DRD57) photo work 'art' but I consider him to be one of the best photographers on the HAMB. He takes care in composition and exposure, knows how to find a pleasing angle of the vehicle, he waits for people to walk out of the way and well, he's just plain cool as fuck. And guess what, the bulk of his work is car show coverage.
His cars, on the other hand... art.

and if you want to see art shot at a car show, get yourself a ganders at coby's work. Church Magazine.

 

hahaha! nice tag line.

I did generalize your statement but that was just how it read to me. now I see what you are saying and I agree that regular run of the mill event photos don't belong in the art show.

and Cobys pics are cool. I saw my first "church" just the other weekend at the Strangers show. definitly art.

 

thanks. You inspired it.

The rest of that rant was me venting about amateurs who think they're pros because digital has made photography so accessible to literally anyone. Take away the messy, complicated chemical process -9 different baths all at critical temperatures just to process a color negative; add computerized light metering and file handling and every jerk with a camera thinks he's a photographer. My pet peeve coming from a professional standpoint. I paid my dues in the darkroom.


Owning a brush doesn't make me (Dan) Picasso.

fin

 

jerks with cameras.

maybe we should start a club, get some jackets made. have Norwell or Zombie or Tingler make a logo with a camera with big smoking slicks and a monster and a blown hemi.

 

HOT RODS AND KUSTOMS ARE ART IN THEM SELVES,so some photographs,paintings or drawings of said Art Form are by default ART?This is just my opinion for what its worth.I take photos that are not Art,I take photos for the memories and for reference.

 

I'm fine with pictures being art, some of the other art is not apealing to me either, but it very well might apeal to another person, so whom am I or anyone else to judge what is art of any kind.

I am a furniture maker by trade and some of my peices are works of art in my customers's eye to others it's just a pile of wood.

my 7 cents worth.

 

I'm in.

An old bellows camera, gotta stay traditional..

p.s Go back and read the edit to my last post.


Jim- Art is subjective but I think anything made with care using your imagination and your hands is art. -which totally contradicts my earlier statements.

 

I read your edit. I've never been a darkroom guy, just get my prints at the drugstore. digital rocks. I edit almost every event picture I take. then there's the artsy stuff like my roadster pick-up posted above. that took like 5 minutes.

 

Cameras are tools,like pencils,brushes,wrenches,and computers.

How you use your tools,can create art.

 

Don't get me wrong. I love digital. My digital body has more than paid for itself on film costs alone.

The downside? It's the same old analog vs. digital debate.

You can get a similar effect to your pic in the darkroom but you'd spend all day doing it. I kinda miss it though.

 

You are so, so very right. You cannot say Ansel Adams or Jesse Alexander were not artists because they are using cameras. Whether using a brush, camera, or computer, the "art" lies in the composition, expression, and technique all telling the "story" of the subject in a unique, compelling way.

I use all different kinds of tools- at work, I use pens and Photoshop, at home, cameras, Photoshop, pens, markers, hell, I've used white-out on the back of brown paper grocery bags.

Maybe the answer is a separate Photo Gallery day, say Sunday or Monday, where people can post their pictures from car shows the past weekend! And leave the art, however it was created, for Friday. Just a thought....

 

Looks like I'm a little late on this one.

Photoshop filters do not an artist make. A shitty non creative, not thought out photo is just that. A shitty non creative photo completely filtered to death is just trying to hide the fact that it was garbage in the first place (in my opinion). Foreground, middle ground and back ground all must be taken into consideration along with color, light, composition, contast and the list goes on and on.

I begrudgingly admit I have a hard time seeing most photos as art. When I see a gem however, it kicks me in the nuts to remind me that it is. I also have a difficult time calling myself "an artist", as I feel I am more of a "designer". Go figure.

Whether or not anyone see's my photos as art (and I thank those who do), can I still just be a jerk with a camera? A small digital camera that fits into my pocket.

Amado...........you are my hero. You and my brother both.

 

I respect a photographer who can create a great photograph as much as I respect an artist who can create a stunning piece of art! A tool is a tool and the end result is only as good as the expierience and talent behind that tool. There are crappy photos as well as crappy pieces of art.
The only thing I ask is if we're going to start a separate weekly photog thread, can we do it on Monday so I can have something to look forward to after the weekend?
By the way Shortbus, nice pics!

 

Besides that's my pinstriping on that firewall… and that is definitely art! LOL

I must be crazy to jump into this mess, but here goes… A camera is just as valid a tool of artistic self-expression as a computer, or a brush! It's all how it's used! Art is self-expression! Even though I'd personally rather draw, paint or sculpt, to express my vision… I would never kick artistic (as opposed to snap shots, (I’m not getting’ any deeper into that argument!)) photos out of the art show; they are just as valid!

 

Get used to it. People think they are a photographer because they have a digital camera, they think they are a web designer because they know a bit of HTML. I'm a designer and guess what, people think because they can throw some shitty type down on a page they can design corp brand identities. Its just the way it goes.

 

I have a bit of a different view as a designer, what I do while being creative, isn't art, its a business solution. There is no artisitic expression, it's brand recognition, recall, awareness, target market, yada yada yada.

Coby your stuff is art, whether it be photography or design, it's intent was to evoke emotion through artistic impression, and it kicks ass

 

It's obvious to me that is a piece of art. There are only the minimum amount of objects in the picture to convey the story.

Suppose I were to paint the above piece, it would look just like that. Now I would not paint in extra cars, people, or lawn chairs in the background. Those objects are not essential to the conveying of the story. So when I see a photograph with all that junk in the background, it's not art. Those are my simple rules.

 

I say your all jerks, with or without cameras.
Cool photos.
-Anthony

 

Rick's photo's are art in my book too!

 

Do a search,"Wednesday Photos", post your "Artistic Photos" there as people have for ages.

 

I think you have a legitimate question here and, as a person who makes what some people call art, I see how you think the way you do. As an answer to your question: In my opinion, you are not wrong...for you.

Art is probably the most subjective thing I can think of, but the simple answer is that you don't have to see the art in everything that is represented as art.

It isn't the 'artist's' job to please anyone but him/herself. It is the artist's job (or curse, depending on how one looks at it) to create what he or she is compelled to create...and to continuously do so. As famed interpretive dancer Martha Graham once wrote of creative people:

"There is a vitality, a life-force, a quickening that is translated through you into action; and because there is only one of you in all time this expression is unique.

And if you block it, it will never exist through any other medium, and be lost. The world will not have it. It is not your business to determine how good it is; nor how valuable it is; nor how it compares to other expressions. It is your business to keep it yours clearly and directly, to keep the channel open.

You do not even have to believe in yourself or your work. You have to keep open and aware directly to the urges that motivate you.

Keep the channel open...
No artist is pleased...

There is no satisfaction ever at any time. There is only a queer, divine dissatisfaction, a blessed unrest that keeps us marching -- and makes us more alive than the others."

These word are what I live by. I hope you understand now that you don't need to understand.

Bill Stinson

 

there is an unmistakable difference between any consumer pocket sized point and shoot camera and a real digital SLR used by someone that has formal training in depth of feild, composition, lighting etc... photoshopping a picture has nothing to do with this argument in my opinion.
Ive paid my dues in the dark room as well. I also do alot of freelance DIGITAL photography. I have learned about shutterspeeds and aperature settings from analog film cams. I use the same techniques with my digital SLR.
BUT my fotos are completely different than say when my wife takes pictures with her small portable point n shoot.

is it art? who really knows. is it the artist behind the camera...definitely.

you can pick up a tattoo machine and scratch the hell out of someone or a real tattooist with the same machine can give a peice of art.
they are both still tattoos...

 

hahaha!!

 

i know i'm late too, but this was too good to leave alone...damnfingers...great question, regardless of the answers this has been a thought provoking topic and i love reading all the opinions (in which are like a$$holes, everybody has one and they all stink) some more than others...unless they somehow agree with yours, in which, i like your "rose coloured glasses." thats just human nature.
<Ooddrodgarage...NAILED it! as far as i'm concerned
<OJCruz..."Art is relative and is "ART" as soon as I call it that"<O...Marcel Duchamp at his finest...google DADA art movement for those not yet exposed to it...(no pun intended) but like you said JCruz, i too don't like to excluded anyone.
<O<Ofifyfiveford...i here ya! scan photo...push rasterized button on a machine...instant art from a mediocre microwave...hhhmmmm...(i think its still frozen...i'm not going to eat it!!) its not my cup of tea but i've seen it sold many times over. to me its is just that, "ephemeral graphic from the bourgeois boutique." (dust off the dictionary, sorry-but it fits) wait a minute...did i just somehow discribe "low brow art"...(?) i think with the true definition of ephemeral gets me off the hook...that was close.

<Oi think some of rickamados' shots are very cool and well thought out, and who here wouldn't want to go to that Church on Sunday morning! it really comes down to taste. some people have none...some people think they have it...others have it all in there mouths...and then you have the ones who are better than us all...viva la ego!
<OPrice...Quality...Speed, you can ONLY pick two! if someone tells you that you can have all three they must be running for office and want your vote...don't worry though, they will change their tune once the bill arrives at your door step...<Othanks for considering my opinion, hopefully it didn't smell that bad...did it?
<OWc<O

 

Let there be Art!.....even if it's a photo!

 

Can we end this debate?
Point 1: There is a difference between a Photograph and a snap shot ( make
that...a picutre.)
Point 2: There is a separate show for shuttle bugs. (Wednsday Photo
Show)
Point 3: Photographers give the art show the diversity that makes it one of the best
on the web; BAR NONE. (Except those snap shots from some car show on this
week's Art Show, that bugged me a little. I assumed it was someone new to
the program. Heaven knows I've made several blunders with my posts here and there and will continue to do so.)

Guys, Photograghers,please, continue to share your pictures; they are inspired and inspiring. Post them on Wednesday and Friday. This, especially if the Wednesday show doesn't gain much traction. Those of you who take pictures at the car shows just to share what you saw, do what everybody else does and give it a separate thread. Unless, of course, the pictures are artistic.

 

Thanks for posting this, Bill...it's all one needs to know on this subject.