Photos and the Friday Art Show

Art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
The narrow view of what isn't is the province of the small mind.
What pours out of the paint brushes, lenses, pencils and pixels of
the creator will be judged by an audience of one.

Can the crap, and get back to enjoying things for what they are,
rather than for what they are not.

 

I go through a bi-polar thing with almost everything I work on. At the end of the project, I almost always am satisfied enough to move on, yet I'm always yearning to get to the next one.

Oh, and Rick, you ARE a JERK with a CAMERA, but it has nothing to do with your artistic skills OR your cameras! hahahahaaaaa xxxoooooo

 

Interesting thread for sure. Photo is also art, Coby and his pictures are a living proof on that. But I must say I to some degree must say that I agree with damnfingers on his points. Like many other on this board I also put some photos in the art thread from time to time, if it is art, that is up to other people to decide. But what I have noticed is that some times there are very much photos in the threads contributed from many people. Many good, and many not so good. But I think it would be wrong to ban photos in the friday art thread. It is art, and some people post some really good artistic photographs, while other post some not so good ones. But the same can be said about pinstriping and drawings. Some people on this board is masters at pinstriping, while others really sucks.... but does that mean that we only should let the talented pinstripers post their art in the friday art thread?? I don't think so. What really makes the friday show so great here on the hamb is that it is really huge! Amateurs get the chance to display their art next to talented artists such as Zombie, Coop, Tingler and Janne Kutja... (the list is to long to continue ) Together we make a big art show each friday. If it get split up into one, photo friday show, one pinstripe show and one drawing show, we would end up with many small threads that would not be as good as the original friday art show... well, that is my 2 cents at least!

 

damnfingers please don't delete thread only in the aspect of the provoked thought process...i don't agree with what your saying completely...but feel very strongly about the respect of agreeing to disagree. plus stinsons quote of Martha Grahman is worth this bump...i feel, more need to read this. i also think its kinda funny that better than half of people that responded to the thread post work on the Friday Art Show...its good to see what they have to say. it is what it is....i think most of the people here can see the difference you talk about...its simple perception and reality. i don't mind anyone posting "snapshots" in the show i actually like it (keep posting shutterbugs) its just a different view and thats not all that bad!

 

Thanks for the kind words you guys.

I prefer posting in the Friday show and I like seeing other photographers do it too. I'm so inspired by those artists and I like to think that some of them might be inspired by the photography. I think having them in separate threads diminishes both shows.

'fingers- I changed out the pic because we were discussing car show pics.

And this is definitely not from a show, it's the pic I use on my business card.
Is it art? anyone?


cody- Photographer or not, as an artist you have The Eye which is why your photos don't suck.

Jeeem. bite me ya jerk! *hugs*

 

Shortbus...I would never object to photos like this in the Friday Art Show...as far as I'm concerned it's photographic art. It's obvious you created the exact picture that was in your mind - it wasn't just point, shoot and post. And yes, I like both this and the other one your posted on this thread.

 

What a great question. I don't even know how I completly feel about it. Like said before, art is VERY subjective. There is also an good argument that graphic design is not art. Working in the PrePress side of the printing industry, I see a lot of, lets call it "SHIT". "Desktop Publishing" has killed the graphic design field. A lot like small point-n-shoot digital cameras has done to the photography world. Anyone that knows two or more industry terms thinks they are trained professionals. And it completely overshaddows the true professionals.

I have heard arguments that what I do is not considered art. That because there is no physical "art" you can touch, feel, or smell, it is not real. So be it. I do what I do for the love of creating. I know a lot of other guys that are doing some remarkable stuff on here, including photographers. Just keep doing it for the love of what your doing. Nothing else.

 

Well said!

 

I dunno anything about art....but I know what I like....

 

I've seen allot of your stuff, and I'd consider most of it art!
That's my "subjective" opinion!

 

Uhhh dude you're an artist!

One of the best quotes I've ever read...
"He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist."

-Juan

 

I LOVE this quote...worse part, it is soooooo-oooooo true...

R-

 

I think this is art. The question is the person who for a split second in time, pushed a button, an artist.
I think that they took an artistic picture, but are not an artist.
The person who did the work on the car, is an artist.
A computer has replaced more artists than it has created.
My take.

 

Just something to think about, many people like my self can not draw or sometimes even compose a good picture. But every once in a while I take a photo the may to some be at least good, but to me its great. The Friday art is my chance to contribute in my small way my best photographic art, I would not even concider any thing I draw with a pencil.
Now if we move to the Furnituremakers forum you better watch out.

I my self look forward to the Friday art show and for one would like to see it stay the same with all ontopic subjects welcomed.

Jim H

 

Thanks Al...I'll send the money tomorrow

 

Anything that makes me take a closer look and say WOW...is art to me! Whether it is a cool shifter knob, a cool painting or drawing, a different perspective or perfect lighting in a photo, or a pretty woman...all works of art to me.

I think what Damnfingers is getting at though, is a series of pics from a recent car show posted in the Friday Art Show that should have a thread of its own.

I also think there should be a new thread called "Crappy Friday Art Show" so I would feel more comfortable posting my art!

 

Well here goes. Art is art and it comes in many form...photos is one of them. We get good ones and not so good ones. We also get post of sketches and drawings striping and paintings that arent so good. It is still someones interpretation of art. Who are we to judge. Some of the photos are amazing shots, some are run of the mill carshow pics. Most people post there carshow pics in a separate thread. The art shows don't get all that many photo entrys as most of the people who have been here before realize there is usually a "WEDNESDAY PHOTO SHOW" THRED. Personally I love the Friday Art show. I take the good with the bad, photos, paintings, stenciling, striping, sketching photo-shopping photo-chopping...you know, NO HOLDS BARRED....ART!

 

A lot of things happened leading up to that split second in time when I pushed a button to create that image. It's not like I happened upon a Merc leaning up against a wall or something.. and I certainly can't fly. I saw the image in my head before I created the situation which allowed me to make this image but because I used a different tool than a painter or illustrator to make my vision tangible, I'm not an artist?

That's horseshit.

In the Friday Art Show a while back, someone (I wish I could remember who) posted a painting of a blue deuce 5w doing a burnout. The artist claimed that the painting was inspired by (and closely resembled) a photograph of Axle doing a burnout in his old blue '32 5w coupe. Are you telling me that the photographer isn't an artist but the painter who used the photo for reference is? Even though the photographer created the image using his hands, head and heart, the painter is the only one who gets to be the artist?

great quote Juan

 

PHOTOGRAPHY IS ART.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing that photography is not art because it wasn't done with a brush.
There is a difference between a snap shot and a photograph. But if you put allot of thought into the composition, lighting, angle, how the DOF is going to affect the look and feel of the image etc. then you are creating something.
I make my living off of my camera. While most of it is commercial, the personal stuff I consider art.
And for those who think that because you push a button you are less of an artist. It is with a comment like that, that you show a complete and total lack of how long it takes to be able to learn and properly execute the skills needed to be able to compete on a professional level in digital mediums.
Why is the guy that built the car an artist and not Rick for taking an amazing image? I'm sure he has spent just as much time and money learning his craft as any builder.
There is no "Easy button" for continually and consistently creating beautiful imagery. It's allot of hard work and dedication that goes into being able to craft an image from light and form. not just a lucky shot.

Is this image I captured at Bonniville last year art? Fuck yea I consider it art!
What you don't see is the time it took to meter the light compose the shot, develop the film and spend 8 hours in the darkroom to get this one image and all the masking, dodging and burning it took to look just like I wanted it to. So fuck you.

 

Damnfingers look what you started!

The original point you brought up is lost in the dust now!

 

Well put Link.

That photo is beautiful. Printing is an art unto itself.

 

Thanks Rick! Means allot coming from you!

Just chaps my hide always hearing people comment that photography isn't a form of art.

The GWC's flood everything and devalue the profession more than I care to think about and in more facets than I think anyone can imagine.

 

I'll agree with Link except to ad that the best "artists with a camera" not only have years of hardwork developing their skills, They also have a god given talent, something that can't be taught, its just there.

 

Right then , so we should get a kick ass Wednesday Photo Show out of this .
Some valid points have been made , and hopefully we can all learn from the pro's how to take better photos.....

After all we joined this forum to learn more , in witnessing the greatness of others !

 

Yes, it has...but just to remind *link* what my original post said: "I can even understand photos being considered art when the photographer is involved in the staging of the car for the photo - but to wander through a show snapping photos and then posting them in the Friday Art Show as an *art* contribution just doesn't seem right to me. For me they take away from the show, not add anything to it."

I hate to think that *link* and *shortbus* and others with like talent could possibly read my comment and think for a moment that I could have been addressing their work. If they do I humbly apologize. I'm in as much awe of their work as I am those that work with paint, pen, pencil, etc.

 

I think that it depends on the photo. Certainly just taking a "point and shoot" pic of someone else's art (read car), without creative input isn't really art in my opinion.
That said I've seen some fantastic photography exibited in the Friday Art Show that well and truly belongs there. For example any of Buick59's shots.

 

100% of my photos were taken by me wondering through car shows. In fact, I have a whole book out of these photos. I call it art, because, I don't need to "stage" something to make it meaningful, I take whats already out there and show you it's meaningful.

 

I just looked at your website/photos and if those photos weren't 'staged' I'll kiss your butt. It's obvious that in each one you picked a particular point of view that you wanted to emphasize and worked to create on film (or digital) what you were seeing in your head. How many of each angle did you take and discard before you got the one photo out of the group that you were looking for? They aren't the type of "point and shoot" photos that I don't think belong in the art show...

But enough of this...if it's art, post it...if it's a snapshot of a car, start a new thread.