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History Photos taken before WW2 - history in black and white

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by twin6, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. jimi'shemi291
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    Yeah, didn't Lexington shift to Connersville after starting in Lexington? Same plant Dutch Darrin used later to convert Parkards.
     
  2. T-Head
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    RE: Yesterdays mystery car...... The Lexington?? The top photo shows a 1909 Lexington 5-pass. Touring. They are not listed as having built a 4-pass. only a 30-35 HP 5-pass. and also a 40-45 HP 5-7 pass.

    Both of the 1909 and 1910 second photo, show their catalog cars and the 1909 looks to me to have a curved top on the hood like the 1910 has. The mystery car has a flat top.

    Just passing this along but I think that it maybe an EMF with a Studebaker badge on it as they distributed them at that point.

    The top photo of a 1909 Lexington shows them as having 10 spoke front wheels were if you look at the mystery car at the bottom and the 1909 EMF 5-pass. above it they both have 12 spoke wheels and look to me to be the same car. The EMF was also listed as selling a 4-pass. Touring as the mystery car is.

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  3. T-Head
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    Bingo......

    After posting the above about the EMF, I went looking for another photo of a 4-pass. EMF and found the very same mystery car photo on the EMF web page with the following caption....... Photo from a period postcard showing a 1909 E-M-F Double Rumble Roadster. Note the Studebaker script on the radiator.

    Follow the link below and scroll down to 1909 Roadsters and you will see the photo.

    http://emfauto.org/EMF_photos_1909.php

    These are better photos of two 1909 5-pass. EMF Tourings for comparison below.

    Sorry MR. Model T...... That was a very good thought that you had about it being a Lexington and I was convinced until I dug a little.....

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  4. MrModelT
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    Thanks for straightenin' me out T-Head!

    Good call on your part....bad call on mine.
     
  5. T-Head
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    With that blown up photo of the radiator script it looked very much like it could be Lexington where as the small one looked more like Studebaker to me and I have seen other photos of EMF's with a Studebaker script on them. That what got me to thinking about it more and then looking at more photos.......
     
  6. Nice work by all. It looks like we have a 'mystery photo' of an EMF car with a Studebaker name on the grille which makes sense since during 1912-1914 timeframe the Studebaker folks took over EMF operations and the Studebaker nameplate on EMF cars became more common. That explains both names on the grille and shell.
    Neat-thanks for letting me play along. If anyone needs an image blown up or zoomed up on here, just PM me, I will try my best.
     
  7. T-Head
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    The photo caption on this Los Angeles race winning EMF is......Studebaker EMF 30 HP. So it appears Studebaker marketed them that way. This photo is from 1912.

    According to the Standard Catalog of American Cars, Studebaker took over distrubuting them in 1909 after Everitt and Metzger left in a huff to build the Everitt. After a bitter court fight Studebaker took over completely in 1912 and all later cars were called Studebakers....

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  8. MrModelT
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    The Studebaker Co. worked in partnership with E-M-F until 1911. Studebaker sold E-M-F cars through their dealers and E-M-F manufactured parts for Studebaker's Auto division. Studebaker was also in a partnership with Garford at the same time. From 1912 on, Studebaker fully manufactured it's own cars.
     
  9. twin6
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    Super job by all! I'd forgotten about this other EMF posted by T-Head (#1268), which was the subject of a couple more posts. "Rev. H.H. Hartnell, 90 Years old, Oct. 18, 1909, in his E.M.F."
     

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  11. T-Head
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    Witt (#35), Evans (#34) and Tower (#33), E-M-F “30” Team on the Savannah Course, 1911 – Finished 1. 2. & 3 winning of the Tiedeman Trophy for the light car race. This was held in conjunction with the Vanderbilt Cup Race. They are pictured in the second photo.

    The first photos shows two cars at Savannah in 1910.

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  12. God, I love this!!! Thank you so much,Mikey
     
  13. twin6
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    My apologies if this was posted before (if so, did we ever figure out what it was?). Quite a machine, and it looks like it had traveled some. The front fenders look like Fordson!
     

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  14. T-Head
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    Twin6..... Nice Peerless. They are identifiable by the crossflow radiator and the distinctive radiator shell with the small beading......One of this countries best cars back then.....

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  15. mart3406
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    Niagara Falls Ont - Niagara, St. Catharines
    & Toronto Railway - Circa 1938 - "NS&T car
    #63 heads out of the Niagara Falls, while #1
    35 takes on passengers. At the same time
    Canadian National Transportation bus #33
    waits for passengers at the corner of Bridge
    St. & Victoria Ave.
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    :DALTERNATE CAPTION " Oh, the follies of
    misspent and wasted youth!!! Instead
    of engaging in 'socially productive
    endeavors', once they got their snazzy
    new S.U.V., the Globbniki sisters, Bertha
    and Helga, liked nothing better than
    spending their Saturdays at 'the track'
    watching the Trolley races and cheering
    on their favourite motormen!!!
    " :eek::eek::D

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  16. MrModelT
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    Nice lookin' Peerless...1910 or 1911 model
     
  17. twin6
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    Another locomotive car, this time in a movie. MGM photo.
     

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  18. SUNROOFCORD
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    What kind of car are these people they posing with?
     

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  19. SUNROOFCORD
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    More people ....
     

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  20. SUNROOFCORD
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    Brass "T"
     

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  21. SUNROOFCORD
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    Model "A" Phaeton
     

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  22. SUNROOFCORD
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    Another "What Is It"
     

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  23. twin6
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    Looks like a Locomobile.
     
  24. twin6
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    Here's a 1927 Packard six phaeton, model 4-26. Check the guy's spats. Can't make out the license plate.
     

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  25. T-Head
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    Sorry to be a little late.....

    I posted that photo before..... it is a Locomobile 48 made between 1914 -16.

    Here is another view of the same car with the owner behind the wheel.....

    The second is also a Loco probably a 1912-13 which was called "The Best Built Car In America" It was no idle boast either, the quality of manufacture is incredible and the crankcase along with the trans case are made of the highest quality bronze available.

    They also had the most advanced heat treating facility in the county at the time for the highest quality alloy steels and steel casting that they also used along with the best iron alloys.....They even made their own nuts and bolts out of alloy steel !!

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  26. mart3406
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    Niagara Falls Ont - undated -"Great Gorge
    Route car #76 and an unidentified car are heading
    towards the Canadian entrance to the Honeymoon
    Bridge. Note the other Great Gorge Route train
    just a little ways up the bridge. The sign on the
    building in the distance reads "4.4% Canadian Ale
    and Beer". Also note the long line of cars waiting
    to enter Canada."

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    [www.nfrm.ca/galdisp.php?TitleID=4&ampresultpage=1&pagesize=4

    The electric operation known as the Great
    Gorge Route was actually started in 1891
    as the Niagara Falls Park & River Railway,
    running from Suspension Bridge to Table
    Rock. In later years, after the American
    operation, known as the Great Gorge Route
    started, the name was changed to the Niagara
    Belt Line, as well as the International Railway
    Company. The Canadian operation ran along
    the top of the gorge from Falls View to
    Queenston, and the new Queenston-Lewiston
    Suspension Bridge. On the American side, the
    route ran through the gorge at river level, under
    the GTR & MCRR bridges, and then began to
    gradually rise up the gorge wall to Niagara Falls,
    New York. It followed the top of the gorge to the
    Falls View Bridge (Honeymoon Bridge) and then
    crossed back to the Canadian Side. The gorge
    route was very difficult to construct, and to
    maintain, with rock falls and accidents. On
    September 11th 1932, the Canadian operations
    ceased, and, after a tremendous rock fall at the
    Whirlpool rapids, the American operation was
    suspended in 1935.
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    Can anybody identify the make and year
    of touring car standing in line behind the
    Centre Door T sedan??

    In the mid-1920s, prohibition was in full
    force in the U.S, but in most of Canada,
    other than for distilled spirits manufactured
    for 'export' it was already semi-repealed,
    with Ontario allowing the manufacture and
    sale of wine and 'low-alcohol' (4.4.%) beer
    by 1924, and totally repealed by 1927 -
    which probably explains the long line up of
    cars entering Canada from Niagara Falls
    N.Y. in this pic :) Regarding prohibition too,
    a popular, tongue-in-cheek Canadian ditty
    of the time - post-1927 at least, went -

    "Four and twenty Yankees, feeling very dry,
    Went across the border, to get a drink of Rye,
    When the Rye was opened, the Yanks began to sing,
    God Bless America, but God Save The King!
    ":D

    The Honeymoon Bridge mentioned above is
    the massive steel cantilever bridge spanning
    the the Niagara gorge, just south of the falls
    that collapsed on January 27, 1938.
    (see text and pictures www.niagarafrontier.com/madisonsale.html
    and video
    http://www.archive.org/details/PatheNew1936

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  27. SUNROOFCORD
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    Now, I'm confused. The two above are Locomobiles. Is this one a Locomobile too as Twin Six suggested????
     

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  28. twin6
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    Nice White steamer, c. 1909.
     

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  29. SUNROOFCORD
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    Now I see that the one Locomobile is the same car. Same person in two different photos. Had to look a bit closer.
     
  30. Mr Nascar
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    That is one awesome Pic!!!
     

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