+pics(I cant belive im actually contemplating this) So i go to the paint jobber ...

That's what I did .
Maybe I wasn't verbally clear, or didn't show explicitly on that point. I'll try here.
I did have just red , one straight out of the rattle can and one rattle can plus straight transtar clear ( no candy toner)

They were talking 200.00 a pint for just that red^^^ which is the base under the candy.


Now according to these guys the picture thing doesn't generate a formula to create what's being examined. What it does is pick the nearest match from its data base of known colors. It compares pictures and give the corresponding formal to the closest matching picture in its database. If it can't recognize something it doesn't care.

Maybe there's a new bigger better faster picture system that does the magic trick ???

 

hmm. i dont know about automotive paint and they system they use. but the scanners at big box stores create a code based on the color, for house paint anyways. i wonder why the automotive systems cant do that.

 

I really can't figure out what's going on here.
ANY good custom painter, or paint shop should be able to come close to what you want,with some experimentation!
Spray can **** is for the birds.
There are so many color paints out there, you should be able to match your spray bomb blue or red easily. If you can't do it with recent OEM color charts, any good paint supply will have fleet color books. Dupont has them in solid colors, and in metallic/pearl. There are literally HUNDREDS of color chips in each book. Catagorized by color, they then go through every shade, tint and hue you can imagine. I simply cannot believe you can't find a simple spray can color in these books.
Your paint supplier really needs to do your paint color photo again. I've had to have my guy do it 2-3 times to get it right, if you dont want to find the time to go through the color charts. The only times I could not get a good match with that system was when I tried to match a tri stage candy or pearl color.
If THAT is the case, and you are really set on your black candy combo, either find a custom paint shop that will sell you some small amounts of different bases and candies, or get them from an airbrush paint supplier. I think they sell them in 2-4 Oz sizes. Then go experiment again.
The only reason I think you can't find what you want is perhaps you are looking for something you see in your mind, but can't explain to a paint supplier.
I guarantee I could mix up something, from what I have in my paint cabinets, that would look damn close to whatever your color sample looks like, or maybe better.
If you want, send me a spray out of your 2 spray can colors on a card, and the one with your candy on it and I bet I will match or better it!

 

might check out a DuPont spectra master chip book or what ever their brands are.

 

If you get a sample..say about the size of a licence plate...PPG has a color match service , computer ***ist, that can look down into the paint and ****ize the make up. They do a great job of matching old paint that nobody even makes the pigment anymore and formulas are long extinct. Call your local PPG tyo find out more..flop

 

The only reason I think you can't find what you want is perhaps you are looking for something you see in your mind, but can't explain to a paint supplier.
I guarantee I could mix up something, from what I have in my paint cabinets, that would look damn close to whatever your color sample looks like, or maybe better.
If you want, send me a spray out of your 2 spray can colors on a card, and the one with your candy on it and I bet I will match or better it!



Chop, this certainly is not the case, I am holding in my hand, gave it to the paint shop personnel- they have held it in there hands. They take the spray out outside. It comes out of a duplcolor spray can. Its calked "Metal Specks" in Retro Red < that red is what I need. There aren't any chips that come close at all.

The candy part is taken care of and not an issue.

Now I have shot close to 40 spray outs in different colors and put the black candy over them. A few are rattle cans but more are genuine automotive paints. Pinks, blues, purples, silvers, reds, greens. One blue is a close second place, but Nothing pops and flops like that red under the black candy. It actually hurts my eyes to look at the plain red sprayout in the sun with only plain clear on the red.

 

now you can see why paint jobs cost so much. the materials are expensive. the color you describe sounds really nice

 

Ha ha ha that was an Arin Cee cartoon where he painted his A coupe with nail polish. He signed a contract agreeing to display the nail polish company's advertizing sign at car shows, so they gave him the nail polish for free.

Punch line: As he is spraying the car his friend reads the contract "Hey Arin, did you read this part where it says you have to wear the polish on your own nails at the shows?"

 

If you can find a chemist that works with paint he will be your best bet I believe. Paint stores & body shops would have to use too much time & paint to make it worth their while. Another thing to remember is if & when you find the paint you are looking for be sure to get enough & all from the same batch as differant batches will differ in color. Small paint mfgrs if there are any left would be your best bet. I don't know if any of the large paint mfgrs would let you talk to their chemist but it won't hurt to try.
Good luck & would like to see your job when done.

 

I think its cool you mixed up your own paint! I say you go to duplicolor, show em what you have and there will be a guy there who gets what you are doing and will help you out. If that paint grabs your eyes the way you are explaining it does. A paint that is just similar to what you made, might as well be **** brown. Good luck!

 

Thanks!
It all started here : http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=761559&highlight=custom+paint

electronic trickery between a digital camera, computers and monitors



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration

 

If you can pick up a copy of DupliColors fold out brochure there are photos of Jim Tooles' black with flames "T" painted with rattle cans. It just takes practice and prep work, but good results are possible.

 

Well, back in the early 70's when I lived in Texas a friend of mine, Laddie Segrest had a 32 Five window that he had painted black with Gibson's (discount variety store) true black lacquer that he bought by the case or armload and sprayed and color sanded until he got it the way he wanted it. The car sat outside in Texas for years and the paint held up. I never did find out what happened to the car after he p***ed away but it had the Texas 32 Ford personalized license plate on it for years.

You could always just spray, color sand and spray some more. We won't tell.

 

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Chop, this certainly is not the case, I am holding in my hand, gave it to the paint shop personnel- they have held it in there hands. They take the spray out outside. It comes out of a duplcolor spray can. Its calked "Metal Specks" in Retro Red < that red is what I need. There aren't any chips that come close at all.

The candy part is taken care of and not an issue.

Now I have shot close to 40 spray outs in different colors and put the black candy over them. A few are rattle cans but more are genuine automotive paints. Pinks, blues, purples, silvers, reds, greens. One blue is a close second place, but Nothing pops and flops like that red under the black candy. It actually hurts my eyes to look at the plain red sprayout in the sun with only plain clear on the red.[/QUOTE]

I'm not doubting you, but I know from experience that sometimes what YOU see and focus in on, might not be what another sees, or thinks is important. There might be a special reflection, sparkle, color shift, in what you want that others don't get.
And about the candy...there are very often several approaches to get a certain look to a paint. Candy may be one, but sometimes pearl will give a similar look (esp. with all the different custom pearls avalable today!) A BC/CC might even be possible, depending on the look you want..some special flale or pearl added to a regualr basecoat paint might do it, and make it easier to spray a car with, if you're not experianced with candy or any 3 stage paint.

 

I've shaken the cans real good and put a small hole in the top with a church key. A SMALL hole. Then a larger hole and drain the can and run it through the gun.
Bear in mind, I'm not a painter, nor do I play one on TV.

 

We have a napa here that will mix just about anything for you. The girl there matched my 8 year old semi weathered silver. Can't even tell there was paint work done.

 

when I worked at NAPA the paint screw ups lots of em were thrown out every couple months go see every NAPA in town
they have to dispose of them via hazardous waste codes .....

THEY ARE MARKED AS TO RECIPE

PUT THE REDS ALL IN A SHAKER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS



IF I KNEW HOW MANY $$$$ DOLLARS OF PAINT I GOOFED UP AND TOSSED....ER SHOULDA SAVED ................... HAHAHAHAHAHHA

 

I'm not doubting you, but I know from experience that sometimes what YOU see and focus in on, might not be what another sees, or thinks is important. There might be a special reflection, sparkle, color shift, in what you want that others don't get.
And about the candy...there are very often several approaches to get a certain look to a paint. Candy may be one, but sometimes pearl will give a similar look (esp. with all the different custom pearls avalable today!) A BC/CC might even be possible, depending on the look you want..some special flale or pearl added to a regualr basecoat paint might do it, and make it easier to spray a car with, if you're not experianced with candy or any 3 stage paint.[/QUOTE]

To me "black" is black and only black- add anything to it and it knocks the vibrance of black down, muddies it up , and however cool it maybe - its not black.

I hear you !

Lots of guys are telling me to add a pearl or mica to the black, " Get you the same look " . Well ******** !!!! Cost me 35.00 to try what thus guy said was " black and lit up red in the sun".
Well it wasn't Quote BLACK un quote is was a muddy super dark gray that had brown mica highlights in the sun. Ugly Kia color. Another friend loves his kids purple mica in black cavalier. Its OK but its not black, its more of a REALLY dark purple and muddy.

 

Had a car painted black and the pearl was added in the first coat of clear. Depending on the sun it was black or a metallic blue/black.

 

I sent some pics to chopolds, maybe he'll post them up.
I'm having phone vs photo bucket issues.

 

A couple friends experimented with extracting paint from the spray cans....it works....kinda....

 

What's the "kinda" part?

 

I'm thinking this is going to be the start of a great marble collection!

 

body supplies-$200
epoxy primer and filling primer $410
sleeves of 400 and 600 wet sand paper $36
building an indoor pool to catch water $26
wet sanding your fingers raw requiring band aids and skin cream $14
$1600 for the gallon of special red and clear
having the car the best color in the world that gives you a ***** and attracts young woman like moths to a light bulb- priceless

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but they don't use marbles much any more the last batch of cans I popped open had this odd ball chunk of metal in them looked like a double stepped t dowel

 

sounds like a *****in color I may have to do a spray out just to see for my self

 

Just that it's a lot of work to get enough paint out of enough of them to paint a whole car.

 

Falcongeorge didn't think 24 would be enough - **** it I'll get 48 then

 

One more time

 

Do it the can way - it will be a ***** for sure, and you might mess up and do it again; but nobody, and I mean... nobody will have that paint color but you.
Pork