Technical please Identify this frame if you can

These are all the same car from 36-56 with different engines and diffferent front suspension. Can anyone tell me what the frame is from? Car built in 36 so it would have to be before that.

Bandimere Pikes peak car

 

The channel width & the kick ups look a lot like Es*** (but not quite!)

 

So you’re saying you were framed? Hehe.

 

You might try sending Rich (ratster) a conversation, he built a '27 Es*** roadster and should have a good idea of what the frame looks like and if it resembles the frame under your grandfather's roadster. HRP

ratster

 

Here’s another view posted by ‘40 RagtopDown’ in the TRADITIONAL IMAGES THAT NEED NO EXPLANATION thread:


I’m not convinced that these are all the same car, unless they are out of order, and the black(?) version with the big air scoop is the final version. It has a shorter wheelbase than the others.
The version above looks a lot like the Chicago Rawhide Special that Lou Welch ran at Indy in 1935. (Check out the pics but ignore the text at the Museum of American Speed website. It’s confused, contradictory and does not match up to the speedway’s website.) What little I could find about Welch’s unsuccessful entries is that they were Offy-powered Miller-Fords.

 

Thank you so much. This is indeed the other car on the website. The twin to the Rawhide special. You can see the paint is exactly the same as the car above. Other picture is showing the exaust. Do the pipes look correct for a offy?

 

I haven’t been able to find a pic of an early Offy that has the wide-close-wide spacing in your photo. Most are equally spaced. I did find one pic of an Offy with close-wide-close spacing, but it’s a newer engine. The only other four-cylinder racing engine I could find was an early 30s Miller, but it had equally spaced exhaust ports.

 

@SR100 beat me to the punch, I was going to mention Offy’s had four ports equally spaced, and the Riley two and four port heads had the two center ports spaced wider apart.

I ran across this and it appears to have similar exhaust port spacing , the Clemons single overhead cam was patented in 1932. No other info was found for it, I don’t even know if Fred Clemons ever raced it.

 

The pic where you can see the front crossmember is an A. One of the other pics shows a three bolt hole pattern in the cowl area, which is also like the spare tire bracket for an A. But the rear kickup is obviously not an A.

 

I will say this. It is not a Dodge.