296....I was bending the focus 2 years before you joined When are you gonna start telling Ryan he doesn't belong here cause one of his cars has air bags and a mustang II suspension? Building a traditionally styled car is different to everybody. How boring would it be if this board was nothing but flat black 32 roadsters with red wheels....come on it don't get any more traditional than that. Hot rodding used to be rebelious......now it's doing what you're told. Clark
You know what man, your cars are cool because they have great craftsmanship with good taste. One is nothing without the other. And a far as modern stuff you cant see. I’m all for it. My flathead powered 35 three window has a 5 speed and disc brakes. So play the Ryan card on somebody else hero.
I'm no hero...I just get tired of the negativity on here lately. It seems people live to tell others their cars are wrong or not traditional enough. The "traditional" police are getting out of hand. Hell I'm sure you've been bashed for your late model ******. Real hot rods don't have driveshafts!!.. just bustin your balls! Who knows maybe Posie has started a trend. I know I dream of building a boat tail. Clark
Once again a third party has posted pic's of a car that clearly wasn't built for this audience. Mr. Fenical didn't post these pic's and he's certainly not looking for anyone's approval. This would be the last place he would come for that. I consider myself more of a traditional hot rodder, and that's why I'm here, but some of those guys (traditional hot rodders) are more eletist than the so called "gold chainers" that they are rebelling against!! Maybe there should be an OT at the beginning of this thread!
I saw the car for the first time Sunday afternoon and its very nice. Great detail, great workmanship, nice ideas that all flow together in its euro style 30's look. Its not a hot rod and wasn't built to be one. Ken wanted to build a takeoff on a Bentley like coach with his own flare and did in my opinion. You need to spend some time looking at this car in person to GET IT......... Yeah it on a trailer, yes its sold, yes its going to SEMA, yes on the bad Ford motor and finally yes he built it with his own mind and hands. Nice Job !!
Hang on a minute, who said hot rodding was about being rebelious? B-Movies? Pulp novels? Traditional hot rodding was about going fast on the lakes then the track. Form followed function, and we here still love the form, even if we don't go out and flog our cars on the lake every weekend.
Ok, Butcher Boy thanks for that, now I've seen the world's most expensive camel. He's aping a Euro style, but ah, it got lost in a very expensive translation. Yeah sure, it's probably got great craftsmanship.
Brooks Stevens' Excalibur also "emulates the regal and custom coachbuilt cars of the 30s" - since 1966: http://www.autoquarterly.com/excalibur.html Difference is, the Excalibur actually features a nicely balanced design, it goes like stink, and you can pick up a nice one for about $20K . . .
Butcher Boy, Thanks for the additional photos, I like the car even more now, but them I like the looks of high end European cars of the 1930's.
THIS is a thirties coachbuilt car.built from scratch by my father and a team of craftsmen over the last ten years.It replicates exactly a car that disappeared nearly fifty years ago. The difference between What posies and my Father did, is Posies tried to stamp his ego all over it, whereas my dad let the the car do the talking...I know which one I like. Sometimes other people,in other times, had better ideas than us. think about it. ( for the curious..its a Delage D6-70 Le Mans coupe)
Yes, but somebody designed that Delahaye. Would you say they "stamped their ego all over it"? Looks like it to me. And a very good job they did!
Well, OK, that's an opinion too, and opinions are like ***holes, everybody has one. I happen to like just about anything on wheels or that floats, and burns fossil fuel. Particularly if that object reflects an individuals vision, effort and creativity. If you believe that I'm narrow minded when it comes to jealous, obnoxious foul mouthed rants, like some of the responses to this particular thread, then yeah, I'm narrow minded. It doesn't seem neccessary to me to call people "stupid", refer to some as "gold chainers", be disrespectful and rude evaluating someones interpretation of style. The car in question here, if it hadn't been built by a well healed, well known guy, wouldn't have generated any interest or comment at all. It's awfully easy for those who couldn't have done anything remotely like that in terms of body panel, ch***is, and suspension fabrication, or to finance someone else to do it, to hurl insults calling it ugly or non traditional. Brian
I didn't bother reading the filler between the first page and this one, my initial thoughts were that it had the potential to be a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, car. Instead, it is a well crafted excercise in bad taste. I'll agree with one previous writer, that interior is fine!
I don't think too many people are arguing whether or not it's a "traditional" build.....some parts are, some parts aren't.....the argument is about it's visual appeal. I kinda like it but theres a lot of stuff to change. I can't imagine the inner two wipers do anything at all. Those bumpers are distracting and don't work with anything else, just kinda look like add ons. The boat tail doesn't really match the body or flow well with the beltline. I could leave or take the running boards. I love the colors. I could pick the car apart all day long......overall I think it's kinda cool though.
Lowsquire, NICE JOB! Now to highjack this thread, is this rebodied car on a Delage ch***is or a scratch built one? The reason I ask is that there was a Delage coupe that had the body removed and was last seen in Ohio. That ch***is is now in New York and has an open car body on it. Car was featured on a car magazine in the 1950's. HAMB members should start looking for a coupe body out in Ohio.
Obviously excellant craftmanship.... and the looks only mama good love! Gee... its the Golden Submarine part III! ha ha hahahhaa ha
Thanks Ol 55, I'm stealing this for a new sig line! LOL Larry T ..but some of those guys (traditional hot rodders) are more elitist than the so called "gold chainers" that they are rebelling against!!
I guess I would like to know what he is supposed to be leading with this? Or at least what you think he is leading? Craftsmanship? There are easily a dozen people here on the HAMB building stuff that is crafted every bit as well and probably another half dozen setting the bar a lot higher. Style? Yes it's subjective, but you sure don't have to open your mind quite as far to visually love something that Cole Foster or Brian B*** has built. Seeing Dan Webb and Steve Sellers' work has me putting more thought into the brackets and gussets on my car. But I have never thought about using fabric fenders or oversized hood ornaments because of Posie. And if that makes me a sheep I am completely comfortable with it. His builds are always interesting to see. But he's just off on his own doing his own thing which rules for him. I just don't see it as leading because I'm not seeing the followers.
The car is not a hot rod, it's not traditional, it's not a street rod, it's not for this audience. He didn't post the pictures here.....you all did!!!! I love this, even given that, you all continue to argue or espouse your opinions about it's traditionalism or lack thereof. Here's my take, if you care!!!!???? Posie has always used his personal builds to stretch the envelope. His job is to show his potential customers what the capabilities of him and his shop are. The cars he builds for his customers are more mainstream, But the attention to detail and build quality second to none always remains. Some of his cars have been trendsetters....the Sweptback Coupe.... the 38 4 door convertible(black and red),....the Flathead Flyer......Orange Crisp. Many of his cars have even fallen into the neat little category of traditional.....the 36 Kustom....Speed Queen.....Flathead Flyer.......Grocery Cart.....51 Shoe box. I suppose that when the whole custom car market starts to look the same, visionaries start to look for other ways to stretch the market. Dutch is doing that and there is a market for his new vision. That's been proven by the fact that his "works" are all sold almost as fast as they are completed. The man's abilities are not in question here,his design sensibilities seem to be what you all want to discuss. That's all well and fine, But in this case I really don't think he cares what this audience thinks about this car!!!!!!
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