We know he doesn't care what the HAMB thinks about the car. If he did, or if he wanted to share his skills and knowledge, he would be here posting updates from time to time. Like others, all you get from his shop, is the finished product, no sharing what so ever of the process and thoughts behind it.
It's been said before, but lighten up Francis! He built a car and showed it to the world. It's in the public eye. You seem to have a major problem that we are talking about the car at all, as though we are beneath it. This is a public forum and as such, whatever one person chooses to post will be discussed. Because it isn't "our style" doesn't mean we dont have the right to criticize it. Get off your high horse. No one here is doubting his skills, but also no one is concerned about what he thinks about what we think of his car. Nobody is asking him to defend himself or for his friends to do it for him.
I guess I just hate dog piles. Kind of like bullying. Only difference here is, I'm sure Fenical doesn't give a rat's ****ox about the HAMB's opinion. Some of you are probably cr*** enough to spout your snide opinions directly to Posie's face, but I bet the large majority of you would not (I'm not even sure what's worse). Now, for the one's with constructive criticism, have at it! Yeah, this IS a public forum, but you don't have to be an ***, then again, I guess greasers ARE naturally ***es, just like back in the day yo. As far as being a leader? I don't think so, he's just an artist that creates what he wants, nothing more, nothing less. Oh, for what it's worth, the fabric fenders?.....when that car had the right wheels and tires, the top, fenders, everything, WORKED for me. That was one car I was definitely NOT on the fence about.
While Ken may not care what we think, you apparently do care what some on this board think of his work. You and a few others have tried turning criticism into some sort of **** sparring contest. You have brought up equivocation as justification for Posies work. Stop it, you look like a fool trying to defend something for someone who doesn't want to be defended by trying to draw out those making the criticisms. So some people are jack***es. So what, thicken your skin. Here is some comparative opinion for you. Personally, it appears the intent was to build a neo-cl***ic from Ford parts but missed the mark somehow. When I first saw the finished version I though of a warped version of a Voison exploiting the ungainley highlights. But the Voison just seem to ooze much more cl*** and united vision. 1931 Avions Voison, http://our-odyssey.blogspot.com/2007/11/1931-avions-voisin-c20-mylord-demi.html EDIT: some of you know I have been on the other side of this fence regarding a semi-famous little roadster. I had some really harsh language leveled at me for what we did. But at the end of the day it did not influence my or the owners opinion on what we do with our own property. You should do the same
In some respects (adornment) I agree, but the channeled nature of the car and it's total vertical height is what makes me think Voison
OK, so being a jack*** gets a p***. Pointing it out, is out of bounds. You're right Stevie, you gotta pick your battles, and this is one that's absolutely pointless.
your not wrong there and you sure won't p*** another one like it on the road. that said, my opinion is with Posies stuff is that some times i like it and some times i hate it. most often though there are parts i like and parts i hate about each car. he's different, i'll give him that.
What's all the drama about ?.......It's not a hot rod, it's just a crazy car that came into a guy's mind, and he had the skills, desire, and means to build it......I think the whole concept and result is cool......I don't think he intended to aim it at this crowd......
No, it does not meet any of the qualification rules. Not that it matters, it is someones concept car of what could have been built in 1932 with current running gear.
Francis here and it's pretty hard to lighten' up at 240lbs-------Oh, and I'm actually pretty thick skinned!!! My opinions are just that and the information I share is to support the opinions. No malice, no disrespect and really no drama. Just informed opinion!!!
His Extremeliner and Aeroliner both were featured in the AACA museum. So I'm guessing that this will gain entrance as well. It's funny how some people can make comments on something that they have never seen in person. Granted, some of his stuff has been off the wall, but this car is a "home run" when you see it in person. BTW, the first 3 pics posted in this thread were pics I took at the Midway Rest Stop on the PA Turnpike. His intention was to drive it to SEMA. If it wasn't for a bad Ford Racing crate engine (discovered at the 11th hour) it wouldn't be on the trailer. I went back and reread this entire thread. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but the only people who have made positive comments were people who actually have seen it in person. Most (if not all) the naysayers have just seen pictures of the car or have just made negative comments because they didn't like a previous build or think he has an ego. If you haven't talked to Dutch recently, he's mellowed from what he used to be like in the 80's/90's. But some of you will just continue to stereotype him. What's the saying, "it ain't bragging, if you can do it".... If I recall correctly, the Brookville body was delivered at his shop's open house in January. To build a car with that many modifications in 9 months is an outstanding accomplishment in my book. About the only "of the shelf" parts on the car are the wheels/tires and lights. Everything else was modified in some way. Some of you guys give me a great chuckle. To the guy from down under that builds the Delage "copies". Nice work, but when you build something that isn't a copy of something else, I think you'll have a little more credibility (and do it in 9 months, not ten years as stated in your post).
Grilleguy, In spite of your signoff line you did post a rear view photo of the car in question, and I think it is perfect. Still hope someone will post a clear 3/4 front view of the car. Does this car/project have a name?
The name of the car is "Euroliner". I took a picture of the rear because I wanted a complete view of the car for my records. I have a few other close up snap shots of some of the detail on the car. No interior shots as it was raining when we met. I haven't "released" the other pictures yet, and probably won't until next week some time-once the car gets to SEMA and has made its "debut". And I'm not doing that because Dutch asked me to hold them either. It's his car, he should have the honor of showing it to the world, not some guy who took a couple pictures in the rain at a rest stop.
You guys are taking the leading part a little more liberal than I meant. But who knows what the future holds. Trends come and go and as people look for something different to do there may be more cars built to resemble the early coachbuilt cars. Kevin...have you ever seen one of his cars in person? There are little details everywhere. Clark
I guess I did pull it out of context a bit. And you did say he was in his own cl*** earlier in the same post and I fully agree with that. Never have seen one of his cars in person though.
It's been repeated here many times that he wasn't attempting to build a hot rod, but his version of an early thirties coach built car. Though I don't particularly like it, I'm still in awe of it. What gets me, and has always bothered me (and I've been around a while) is how some people just won't even peak out of their own little box once in a while just to see what the rest of the world is doing. I like steak and potatoes, but I wouldn't want to eat it every day. There are many kinds of restores in this hobby, a lot of "traditionalists" are just doing what's already been done, and that's almost as boring as restoring a 70 Chevelle. The thing that REALLY gets me, is that if Ed Roth was just starting out today, and showed up here with one of his creations, he'd be run off the HAMB.
WRONG! Those cars are only accepted here now (and they're still not accepted here by some) because they were done back then. If no one had ever come along and done bubble tops, skulpted gl*** bodies etc. and Ed came along today with the cars you mention, HE WOULD BE RUN OFF THE HAMB! Hell, I remember when he built those cars, and there were a lot of people bashing them even then. Thinking outside the box invites a lot of criticism, people who do it without regard for what others say are the real innovators, even if they don't always hit the mark. All of the "traditional" cars we see today are borrowing from things that visionaries have had the guts to do in the past (or they wouldn't be called tradional), thank God they have the money and skills to do it first, so we can bennefit from it.
Roths stuff wasn't traditional when he built it, it was cutting edge, kinda like Posies stuff. 'Course Doane Spencer, Chrismans, Garlit, McMullen were all building current state of the art stuff when they did it too. Darn gold chainers!! Larry T
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