Don't tell,let me guess. You were an English major. Right ? Now how many people actually understood what you wrote ?
What we have here are proffessors and chemists When all I'm trying to explain is **** that has happened to me. I don't care if you run propane.Hell if it's what you want it's your rod and your choice. I'm just sharing some of the **** that has went wrong and I to know a lot of this **** will never happen again but it did happen once. And once again it's just my opinion and I could be wrong>>>>.
So engine pro, with all of this "hazard" inherit with propane systems, you've had how many personally? And what kind of rides do you have? I'm not bagging on you (much), but I'd be more apt to listen to the advice of someone who has personally used LP as opossed to someone who doesn't. By the way, I'm planning on running 12.5:1 compression and a lp only setup, not a bi-fuel rig. There is propane at alot of the local gas stations here, and I live in Arizona, so cold starts won't be an issue. Thanks for all of the input! I'm definately going to give it a shot! As for you Dan, I'll be giving you a call pretty soon about that mixer you got!
ive got 4 propane powered fork lifts in my shop that have been around for years. 2 of them have automotive engines that were converted to propane by the MFG. all my 28 years here i have never had a propane fire on any of my propane fueled equipment. and it is all the refineries will allow us to use on their sites...tell you somethin'?
I agree with all of you guys. Propane has been around for years and it's great. I will say this again, If you get one of these on fire in your shop you'll think twice. The vehichle I'm talking about had a primer malfunction of some sort. When the guy hit the key it ignited. A spark jumped from the ignition and set this thing off. We then had a serious problem and we were very lucky to have not lost the shop and everything in it plus all the cars inside at that time.Once again this is something that I saw first hand and you don't have to base anything on what I say or do. The last I checked it was still a free country. This is just something that happened to me and I thought I'd share it>>>>.
Yep, got to be careful with stuff that makes fire and sometimes stuff can happen - lpg, gasoline, ethanol, whatever. Even without fuels, just turning on the elec. with some bad wiring and you might find yourself with a ball of flames real fast.
Good quote, As near as we could figure a cylinder jumped spark and flashed back through the intake. As we all know propane is heavy and sinks. The cylinder charge fired off, rolled the fan blade as the engine kicked back and actually turned the engine over without the starter being engaged. A man has got to be careful>>>>.
I love these threads! Here are all of my links for those that have asked. The reality of the matter is that we will never see $2 gas again. Propane will not replace gas, but the more propane we use, the more use we get from every barrel of oil. Use it on the hiway and you take some of the burden off the gasoline supply chain. I am finally reaching an age where I can manage to have the toys I always wanted, but can't afford the fuel (at this rate). I planned this car to run on propane several years ago, just for fun, and now that looks like a good thing. My wife gets the next car, maybe a high efficiency gas motor in her Chevy II? After that, I'm going all electric! Why? I saw a 10 second Nissan running 220 volts at more than 2000 amps. That sounds fun! To save the planet? Nah. http://www.hendrixsystems.com/ http://fuelsforum.rasoenterprises.com/index.php http://www.bazuin.com/ohgx450.php http://www.woodward.com/engine/gaseng/gaseng2/streamline.cfm? http://franzh.home.texas.net/ http://www.propanecarbs.com/ http://www.hybridfuelsystems.com/ http://www.jasperengines.com/index.html http://www.lngplants.com/carbturbo.htm http://www.propaneguy.com/ http://www.topfuelers.ca/propaneconversions_.htm#Gann%20Products%20Company http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/index.html http://www.sleegers.on.ca/index.htm http://www.wps.com/LPG/index.html#INDEX
I watched a 1992 Buick LeSabre burn to the ground outside our shop once because the leaking transmission cooler hoses pissed DexronII on the exhaust manifold long enough for it to ignite... Buick really should have put manual transmissions in all of those old blue haired ladies cars... don't you think? I've been looking at the newer kits and mixers for a few years now and I'm pretty sold on the newer refined technology that's out there for use in my own "toy" car. The off-road guys have had great success with them and I've seen fleets of trucks run on it for years. I don't know anyone that's had your experience with a forklift... maybe your incedent was just a fluke or something... maybe the owner was "monkeying" with it... who knows??? It may not be everyones cup-o-tea but it'll suit my needs just fine in a light car with a healthy 250-300 h.p. sbc, an OD trans and some freeway gears. I will carry a fire extinguisher and mount the main tank in a secured location though... unlike some "fuel" tanks I've seen in peoples gasoline powered rides just begging to be hit and split wide open.
<meta http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" content="text/html; ch****t=utf-8"><***le></***le><meta name="GENERATOR" content="OpenOffice.org 2.0 (Linux)"><meta name="AUTHOR" content="David"><meta name="CREATED" content="20080501;302300"><meta name="CHANGED" content="16010101;0"> <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> While we are all airing our tidbits of knowledge on the subject, I'll add that propane is no longer a byproduct of crude oil refining. Good refineries, in the USA at least, are able to take even the lowest value crude oil and turn 98% into prime products, that is gasoline, jet and diesel. Crude contains somewhere between 20-80% of these prime products naturally, the rest is lighter hydrocarbons (propane and other gases) and heavier hydrocarbons (tar and asphalt). The heavy products can be split into lighter prime products (cracking) and lighter products can be combined into prime products (catalytic reforming). Remember the flare that used to burn night and day above every oil refinery? We really don't have those anymore because we are now utilizing those waste products that used to be burned. The refining process is market driven, the production levels of each product depends on the current market value of each, and the cost of production. Forming propane into gasoline costs money, but if the gas can be sold for more than the propane, that is what the refinery will do at that time. Same thing with other products, like asphalt. In minnesota in the winter, asphalt is near worthless because no one is building roads. Thus all the asphalt is cracked into prime products. Come spring time, asphalt prices rise as demand goes up and now it is more profitable to sell asphalt instead of further processing it into prime products. Propane values will always fluctuate with other hydrocarbon fuel costs, however, the fact that it costs money to make it into a prime product (due to production costs) will likely keep it as a more economical power source than gasoline. I'm a mechanical engineer with an emphasis on combustion, by the way, not an english major, although I did consider journalism. David
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