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puzzling intake manifold differences - 327 SBC

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by tjet, Jul 24, 2013.

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  3. C = same

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  1. tjet
    Joined: Mar 16, 2009
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    I discovered an unusual difference between an old Edelbrock dual-plane intake, & a Weiand dual plane intake. Both are from the mid 60's

    The p***ages are arranged differently. One has a mirror image between the front & the rear cylinders. The other one duplicates the front / rear.

    Has anyone ever noticed this before?

    I wonder which one works better....
     

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  2. GassersGarage
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    Never had a dual plane Weiand but I ran the GM dual plane which Edelbrock seemed to have copied. On my sbc, I ran the stock GM dual plane and was happy with it. On a bbc, I ran the stock GM dual plane but milled down the center divider to kill off some torque. It worked great too.
     
  3. HEATHEN
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    Yes, I've noticed it on various intakes. It's still a 180 degree design, and I've run both styles on the same engine over the course of time and didn't notice any difference.
     
  4. tjet
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    What exactly is a 180 degree intake?
     
  5. blowby
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    Here's my guess..each side of the carb feeds a cylinder every 180 degrees of engine rotation.

    Am I right?
     
  6. tjet
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    That's how I understand it too. Both planes are divided in a way that seperates each pulse acording to the firing order.

    For example, the firing order in a SBC is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. If you look at the intake below, each plane alternates matching the firing order. The #1 starts out on the higher top plane, then the #8 pulls from the lower plane. The #4 draws back from the top plane, & so on. (top-bottom-top-bottom-etc). I guess this is why it's referred to a 180 design.
     

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  7. tjet
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    Now this intake looks like violates the 180 design principal. If you look at the p***ages below, they don't match the firing order.

    #1 pulls from the the top plane, the #8 pulls from the top plane, the #4 continues pulling from the top plane. The #3 cyl finally starts drawing from the lower plane, as does the #6. The #5 goes back to the other plane.

    This design looks flawed. You end up having a super strong vacuum signal on one side of the carb, but the other side goes to sleep...
     

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  8. Clevername
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    Interesting, I wish some of the engine gurus would chime in on this.

    Ok, which is which?
     
  9. tjet
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    The intake with the standard 180 p***ages is an Edelbrock C-26

    [​IMG]



    The other intake with the irregular pattern is a vintage Weiand WCV-327

    [​IMG]
     

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