Questions about this 327 I just bought..Expert motor guys needed...

I just picked up a 46' International Harvester truck to Rod with my kids. Today, I came across someone selling a 327. I've been keeping my eyes open for a motor and trans to have ready when I build the new frame. The guy had 2 C2 Corvettes. One was a 63' split window, the other a 65'. Both were unreal. He pulled this motor out of the split window (not matching) and had it rebuilt. Then decided to go Big Block Stroker. So he is selling me this motor. I was kinda looking for a 350/350 setup. Or a Ford 289/302 & C4 setup.
Not knowing much about the 327 and what it's all about, can you guys tell me if I did good or made a mistake. I am thinking of mating it with a 700R4 transmission with overdrive. Can you guys that know the early small journal 327's give me some info on this build and what I should get to mate up to it to make it a good street ripping combo? Here is the info the guy had posted about the motor.
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Rebuilt 63 Corvette 327 Engine

This engine came out of a 1963 Corvette Split Window I recently bought. I’m putting a stoker motor in the ’63 so this is for sale. Block was bored to .060” over with new TRW pop up pistons with molly rings, double roller riming chain turns a new Crane Fireball cam with advertised duration of 286°. Block also has new cam bearings and freeze plugs. Crank was turned to .020”-.020” with new Clevite rod and main bearings – new high volume oil pump with hypo intermediate shaft. Heads are angle plug Fuely Double hump with stainless 2.02” intakes and 1.60” exvalves. Heads are street ported (reworked bowls and gasket matched). Heads have screw in studs with CompCam guide plates with Hypo 3/8” pushrods. Heads just redone with new guide bushings, perfect circle seals and perfect 3 angle valve job with LTI springs. Valve covers are genuine Corvette highly polished. Intake is Offenhauser 360° equa-flow manifold that is gasket matched to heads. Included is a junk QuadraJet carb that’s been sitting in a box for 25 years. I would recommend a new Edlebrock (manifold is for AFB, QuadraJet type carbs – Hollys don’t fit). The factory Hypo Rams Horn exhaust manifolds with 2-1/2 outlets are also available for extra money; flywheel also available. Engine built by El Mirage 200 MPH and Bonneville 200 MPH Club member with 40 years of race engine building experience.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

 

What's the truck gonna weigh, and what rear gears will you run?

 

The 700R will be a better idea than the TH350. A slightly lower rear end gear and the lower 1st gear of the trans will more than make up for the less torque than a 350 motor

 

Unless its a deal I'd pass. Not knocking the 327 in general.

You'll be better off with as much torque - as many cubes as you can find with that International, it will be more fun to drive. Let us know the rest of your set up. Im assuming stock converter in the trans?

Kind of an odd cam, with 286 duration I'd expect to see more lift - in the 480 range.

 

Your truck should be a lot lighter than most 60's muscle cars. The 327 is an excellent choice for a light vechicle. I ran a couple of 327s and love them. I would take one over a 350 any day of the week. They rev quick and are a blast to drive. From looking at your specs, the motor should run very well and sound great. I used the same cam in my ..030 over 327 that was a very similar set-up. Nice lobe and still streetable. I agree with the lower rear gear/ 700r4 comment. The lower gear with a mild stall convertor (2400-2800) will make you very happy. If I remember correct all small journal 327 had a forged crank so even if it is small journal, the .020"/.020" wouldn't scare me.

 

look at the pad on the pass side of the block at the front, the last two letters (or letter in some cases (S, 62,3,4 impalla powerglide, r, standard)(or even rarer on this early of a block, three) will tell you exactly what it came out of. Also check the casting numbers at the bellhousing. (Something else to check for is if the oil filter recesses below the oil pan (if it is, its a rare chevy II block)). Some of these old blocks could be a 283 bored out to a 327, and there is no mention of casting numbers. if all is as stated, this is a wonderfull combination with the AFB.

 

GO FOR IT !!! i ran a Duntov Cammed / Rochester Injected/ 4-speed 283 SB Chevy in my '54 Ford Pick Em Up in the middle '60's as my daily driver / werk truck ,,for a couple years ,,then put a 396 BB in it & went drag racin' ,,a 327 will be even better for a street cruzer ,, ,,if the price is right ( you didn't say how much it costs ) ,,do it to it ,,

 

Run the numbers on the engine to be sure of what you have a 327 is a good engine for a streetrod.just make sure they are not trying to pawn off a old 307 or 305 block on you!

 

$1000. The valve covers are worth at least $300. So I figure it is worth it since it's already rebuilt. I know the .60 over isn't good as this is the last rebuild on this block. But I can always pick up another block and have it stroked and waiting for this one to die many fun years down the road. Block #'s in the back are hard to read as it has casting flaws or been welded over. I cleaned them up the best I could and it looks to be 3782870 I think. Here are some pics and #s on the block.

 

Shoot ,,that looks GREAT !!! ,,,if you ever have to rebuild it ,,put a 283 crank in it and make it a Hi-Winding 301 outa it ,,i ran a Hilborn Injected 301 in my '55 Chevy back in the middle '60's in D/GAS ,, ,,,then ,,Chevy called theirs a 302 ,,,they didn't want us hot rodders to get any kudos for inventing the idea,,
Gret price on it ,,YOU CAN'T BUILD ONE YOURSELF FOR THAT ,,and those Valve covers are sellin' for anywhere from $100 to $250 on ebay ,,but those look exceptionaly nice ,,
bill

 

Yeah. I found a few 350's for the same price that were all built up but none were fresh. This hasn't been fired yet but isn't complete. It was the Corvette Covers that sold me on it knowing I can sell them if I decide to and get some of my money back and then use the money to pick up a carb and some other covers from a swap meet or somewhere like that.

 

The heads are not fuelie heads as fuelie heads never had angle plugs. As Indyjps stated this is a really mellow cam for a 327 with decent heads. 327's with big heads like to rev but they don't have much grunt down low, so if your cornbinder is heavy your going to need a converter and some gear if you want it to go. I also prefer 327's to 350's in most applications but if your truck is heavy and with the automatic I think your going to want some more on the bottom end.

 

i don't think the valve covers are worth that much not after being poilished. but that motor does have the angle plug heads on it they were worth about 30-50 hp alone.

the block was cast in dec. of 62. that leavs out the 307-305 motors. it is not a corvette casting number. not all small journal cranks are forged steel.

on the whole if it is freesh it would be worth that. i would go with 800 cash he just mite bite.

a good running 327 will leave a 350 in the dust.

 

i don't think the valve covers are worth that much not after being poilished. but that motor does have the angle plug heads on it they were worth about 30-50 hp alone.

the block was cast in dec. of 62. that leavs out the 307-305 motors. it is not a corvette casting number. not all small journal cranks are forged steel.

on the whole if it is freesh it would be worth that. i would go with 800 cash he just mite bite.

a good running 327 will leave a 350 in the dust.

 

Those valve covers are $100 items. For a grand I BETTER be able to hear it run or tear it down before purchase. Does he have any machine shop reciepts?

 

Wow, I thought the same thing! In fact, I posted a whole thing around that until he posted the actual specs after post #1. I also though the duration @ .050 was a lot lower than I'd expect from the advertised numbers. I had to delete my first post after reading the actual cam ticket

 

Since a crappy rebuilt long block 350 is $700 or thereabouts from Pep Boys....you got a LOT of motor for the money.

 

Having sold many of the Offy Dual-Ports and the Crane Fireball back in the 70's they actually are a really good "Ol Skool" combo and work well together and make good low end and mid-range power on a street machine.For a transmission a '87-91 2004R would work well as it has a .67 overdrive as compared to the .70 of the 700R4 also it is less bulky making it more "swap friendly".A Holley R-6619 600CFM would "play nice" with this combo you will need a T.V. cable adapter for hookup which are EZ to come by.I recommend the Holley because of the ease of tuning,most folks don't know how to tune for a Dual-Port, feel free to pm me for some tips if you go that route.The ad you have posted above is in error the Offy Equa-Flow and the Dual port are two different intakes I can't tell from the duct tape but if it does use a Quadrajet you could also use a Holley Spread-Bore.

 

You can always put in an advance bushing in the cam gear and move the torque curve down some. I found 4* works good with that cam, also with the stock 30-30 solid lifter cam from Chevy. It will rev quick so a 700R4 and maybe a 3.73 rear gear should be fun.

 

There were fuely heads with angled plugs. Do a google search and you will read all about it. Off to work so I will post more pics of the intake when I get home. The guy said a Holley won't fit without an adapter of some kind.

 

NO! Last year for fuel injection was 1965ish, and angle plugs were YEARS later(early 70's, and dealer installed or over the counter, not factory installed)

 

3782870 is THE MOST COMMON 327 Corvette casting # through the end of '65 production. DD

 

would worry about bottom end power for the street, the heads are too big for tork in my book
and if you want to drive it like a normal car maybee a set of Rhodes lifters

and the 060 rebore will take a good radiator to cool the thin walls
in my humble opinion and lots of bad experiences

I had a 327 bored to 331 in a short track late model and it was even a heavy car lots of gear and always come in the money, they will walk and talk

BUT a good racing engine is of not much use in a street car in my book

 

Heads are 292 "Turbo" castings, OTC, high performance, primarily aimed at the racers. Check the casting numbers, the last three are 292. Butch/56sedandelivery.

 

I'm betting the heads are pre-Turbo (292), over the counter 492 angle plug heads. The angle plugs help with flame propagation, but I don't think anywhere near 50 HP.
Around here $1000.00 for that engine would be a good deal.
Larry T

 

Post me a Pic of the intake without the tape,I will verify it for you.My next door neighbor has the Dual-Port intake on His Chevy.I am former Sacramento guy,this is the shop I managed in the mid-70's it was located at 2660 Albatross Way.Also with a 2004R or 700R4 the difference in torque between a 327 and a 350 is minimal, these transmissions have a stouter first gear that will pull that International off the line just fine.

 

Funny how you get so many different opinions. That it will pull at low rpm then another says it wont. And I never said the heads were factory installed on any SBC. I said there were Chevy fuely heads made with angled plugs. The Guy bought them from the Chevy dealer in 70 or 71. You were saying they never made them. Doesn't matter anyway. I will post more pics when I'm off work. Thanks for the help.