Questions about this 327 I just bought..Expert motor guys needed...

Pretty sure those dual ports are good in theory(?), but not in actual performance. If they were all that, they would've been on a lot more motors during my youth, and they weren't. I'd just run an old Torker and a 600-650 Holley since you want the spout. Only thing is the "X" configuration's not too traditional looking. However, they ARE if you're looking very late 60's early 70's vibe....and they work pretty good.....and they're pretty cheap used

 

IMO you did real well. A nice motor and assuming your friend is honest, a very good price.
It will rattle your teeth in a light vehicle, as others have said.
Grab those Ram Horn exhaust with it too.
Good find.
Let us know how you make out with your progress !

 

After seeing '46 international and reading the whole thread......

I checked out your intro, it seems to me you and the boys have quite a bit of chassis and body work left to do before the motor is even a consideration.

 

Run it!!! you start changing things it cost dough. IF you could TRADE or SELL the intake and use the gehtis for an X style and a square bore carb you have instant performance. The old manifolds mentioned are just for looks. Piss poor performance, if you want it to run use the new technology. If you want looks use the old school stuff. When you get into changing everything you bought with the motor you would be better off to just sell this and start an engine from a well researched beginning. You will get 1000 ideas for a motor. Look and ride in as many combo's as you can and pick the one that works for you. Some things are fact and some are myths. I have ran combo's that I was told would not run and smoked the naysayers. There are too many things that come into play to try to do it by a forum of opinions. Where 1 guy talks about bottom end and torque below 3000....the next guy considers bottom end to start at 3 grand. You have to decide how you will drive it, what you want it to do and do you want a compromise engine? What worked for them may not work for you.

 

From '79-'92, I owned a 53 F-100 powered by a '66 327 with 350-horse factory cam, 2.02 heads (462 casting) with screw-in studs, Edelbrock TM-1 intake, Holley, etc, in front of a Turbo 400 (with shift kit) and the Ford pickup rear-end that came from the factory with 3.92 ring and pinion.

The truck would smoke the tires through first, part way through second, and even get rubber going into 3rd. The truck was very quick, and surprised a lot of people. If I kept the speed between 60-65 on the highway, I got 18 mpg.

I love 327s. I've had a 350 in my Nomad for the last ten years, and don't care for it. When I find a decent 327 again, I'll buy it and sell the 350. But that's just me. Everyone has a different opinion.

 

If the newer manifolds dont have the oil filler spout, am I forced to ditch the Corvette valve covers for a pair with the filler on them? These covers have really grown on me.

 

Some of the new manifolds have a boss that can be machined for the fill tube, I'm sure the Edlebrock RPM has one. We have one on the 400 SBC in my '48 KB, it's not machined for the oil fill tube because we are using tall M/T valve covers to clear the roller rockers and stud girdle, I miss my Vette valve covers.

Our truck has a boxed 3/4 ton frame with a Trans-am front subframe and an eight foot bed with no floor, it only weighs 3050 pounds. The 327 should move your truck along just fine, we drove ours all over the East Coast with a 283.....

 

Did you look at the Vintage Torker I showed you WITH the tube on it?

 

What Groucho said. You seem to be more interesred in looks than function. But you can machine the oil fill in any manifold. I did in a Weiand xcellerator. Not in the stock location but close to front and functional. Just be sure to machine the hole out for a proper fit. If you run your PVC on the oil spout be sure to filter the air going in the downdraft tube in the back.

 

Wow, an internet tough guy. I guess your keyboard kicked my keyboard's ass.

My comment about a big block was that if you want to pull stumps with a tight convertor and real mild gears, then a 327 is barking up the wrong tree.

But, go ahead; take that out of context and get all spun up on it.

And as far as my pickup being a study in what not to do; I'm talking about changing plans halfway thru. I started with a basically stock 383, and had headers and exhaust sized for that. They were pretty well spot-on.

Then I built a considerably different engine after the original one suffered a malfunction (okay, I broke it). Now the exhaust is quite restrictive.

There are a couple places where having made upgrades means I'm having to go back and re-do things to fit in with the new combination.

So, I'm attempting to give the OP a demonstration why I recommend to do A plus B plus C plus D, and have it all planned out in advance.

But, it seems what I've done is given ammo for someone to derail the thread.

I brought up tunnel rams, and you jumped on the old, tired argument about how they'll run like shit on the street.

Well, it reminds me of a saying to the effect that 'those who say it can't be done should stop interrupting those of us who are busy doing it.'

Anyway, I'm signing off now; I've said what I had to say, and now said it twice. You can post up the last word between us and win the pissing contest.

But if you can be civil if ever we meet, Chop, I'll be glad to sit down and have a carbonated beverage with ya', and tell you what I've done with my combo as far as jet and timing and stuff, and be glad to take you out for a putt around the neighborhood.

-William J. Nielsen

206-718-BILL (no shit, that's my ph #)

 

If ya look under most of the newer intakes the boss is there for the oil fill machine it out and yer golden

 

LOL! No "internet tough guy" here, part of your post just struck me as a little confrontational (wether it was intended to be or not), and I responded accordingly, my reply didnt sound all that threatening, did it?
PM sent!

 

Thanks for the help, and the entertainment between you two ; )
Nothing in anyones posts bothered me, we can let it go.
I am jumping the gun anyways. I need to focus on the the truck itself before fooling with the motor. Just bought the 327 and got all excited. The main reason is to just learn about these little V8's and what works on them. This way I can keep an eye open for deals. My goal right now is to get a rolling chassis. I am thinking of using an S-10 to save me some time and $$$.

 

Here's some reading material for ya...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282679

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239465

 

Well, I dont have the technical experience as most do that have responded to your post but I can say I have been in the same situation as you are now. I got a real good deal on a motor for my first truck. Looked at all the parts and wanted to start changing things thinking of a way to make it better and not spend a fortune. I asked a ton of questions and eventually decided to run the motor "as is" and was thrilled. It could have used more but it ran and ran good. In my opinion, I would get the truck built and run the motor as it is and if you think its lacking, just save for what you want and upgrade the whole thing. Pulling a motor is the easy part.

 

I like 327s. I can't tell you if you made a good deal because I don't how bad you got gored (how much you payed).

Groucho is correct about the difference between the 350 and a 327 torque wise. You'll want to run a low gear and take advantage of the 327s reving capabilities.

Now onto the other thing. I don't know how technology has changed since the offy 360 was first produced but offenhauser use to suggest that you not try to port match that particular intake. But things could have changed in the last 30 or 40 years.

The fact that it is built by a 200 club guy is a mute point. Unless he was building it for balls to the walls LSR competition it doesn't really matter, its just an engine. The fact that he was not named makes me beileve that he is a driver and not a famouse wrench.

 

Bottom line is that the motor was a great deal and its one major part of the puzzle you you wont have to go looking for!

 

Problem is that it hooks up to other goodies I still need.; ) I'm gonna focus on getting it on a chassis that's gonna work. Long road ahead.

 

performer or performer rpm?

 

I've always liked the Performer RPMs. They're a pretty close copy of the old Corvette/Z-28 factory intake.
Larry T

 

How right you are Larry! Even the RPM Air Gap intakes look cool. Holley has or had their own version of the Z/28 intake also.........

 

Those are not 65 heads on that engine, and those are reproduction valve covers.

 

They are not 63 either. Are you sure it is a 327 engine. 327 are great engines.
307 are junk engines. I would take a 327 over a 350, but you need at least a 370 gear with over drive a little lower would not hurt.

 

You didn't read the whole thread, did ja? :^)
Larry T

 

Your right I did not read it all. But those are not real Vette covers. The real ones do not have that casting flash in the top.

 

George,
I still have a set that I bought in 1972 that have the casting line through the o. I kinda looked around on the internet a little and most of the repos are advertised as "having the casting line like originals" and I found this.

From Noland Adams book.
"Durring the 1966 model year, the mold used to form the L79 engine's cast aluminum valvecovers developed a crack, which first appeared as a vertical vidge running across the O".

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/2448238-cast-aluminum-valve-covers.html

Larry T

 

Those heads did come out in the early 70's and were sold over the counter at the dealerships as bare heads. I read the article on them in Hot Rod or Car Craft when they first came out and showed it to My boss at the time JT Carpenter and he bought one of the first sets that Steakley Chevrolet in Waco had in stock. They were worth a few tenths at Heart of Texas Speedway then. The angle plugs were supposed to have better flame travel across the domed pistons and guys didn't have to notch the pistons as they had done with the straight plugs heads.

 

Covers are real. Casting flaw and all. But.......they were polished so they are what they are. Heads are 70's OTC.

 

Sorry guys I'm not trying to make any one mad,but they did not come from the factory with casting flash. I have had 7 Vetts and still have a 66 that has been with me for over 40 years.

They could have been replacements form the factory maybe. But they sold a ton of covers just like those back in the 80ts at swap meets.

 

I guess we're just going to have to call BULLSHIT on the heads. They were NEVER installed on a Corvette in the 60's. They didn't even come out until the 70's. the 60's however did have some drugs that whould make you believe anything................sure you didn't get ahold of some?

Frank