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Technical Quick new way to find TDC on an assembled engine...

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Weedburner, May 17, 2014.

  1. Weedburner
    Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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    Weedburner
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    from Wa State

    Say you want to verify tdc on an assembled engine, maybe suspect the wrong timing tab / balancer combo or slipped inertia ring.

    A few days ago, i decided to slip a 6" pc of solder straight into my sbc's #1 plug hole (all the way in to the opposite cyl wall, with the "tail" held in my hand) to measure my assembled squish/quench. While rotating the engine back and forth thru tdc by hand with a bar, i noticed that it was very easy to locate tdc using the squished solder as a "feeler gauge" to locate the piston's highest point. I did this blind a few times just to see how accurate it was, it was repeatable to about 1/2 degree. It also aligned with my adjustable pointer that was carefully adjusted with a degree wheel during assy.

    It's pretty easy to feel the "dead band" area (where there is no piston movement near the top of the stroke) using the squished solder as a feeler gauge. Much like adjusting valves, moving the squished solder in/out allows you to feel when the moving piston "grabs" the solder, while rotating the crank back and forth across tdc with a bar using the other hand. TDC was in the middle of the dead band. I'm not saying this is the most accurate method to find TDC, but i was amazed at how accurate it was.

    Solder comes in many thicknesses, so start out with something thin like .062, as jamming solder in that's a lot thicker than the clearance might cause piston damage. Flux core solder is what i used, very easy to squish.
     
  2. while that may work just fine , i just don't like the idea of sticking something in there that may break off
     
  3. Weedburner
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    Unlikely to break off, but if it does, it's softer than anything else in there.
     
  4. I took an old spark plug, knocked out the porcelain, welded in a small 3/8" tube and put clear plastic tubing on it. put one end in a jar of water and watch for the bubbles to stop and water to just start to suck back in the tubing. TDC
     
  5. TomWar
    Joined: Jun 11, 2006
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    RB35 Good thinking.
     
  6. Hey, that's a good idea. My luck, I think I'll use light oil instead of water. I'd go too far, and suck water in the engine.
     
  7. landseaandair
    Joined: Feb 23, 2009
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    Another cheap and easy way is to knock the porcelain off a plug, grind the rolled edge off, remove the rest of the porcelain and tap for a bolt.
     
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  8. landseaandair
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    Couldn't post a pic the first time.
     

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  9. Weedburner
    Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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    The plugs in my Brodix heads angle up enough that the spark plug type piston stops wont work with my flattops.
     

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