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Radiator cooling capacity equation?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by adavis, Mar 7, 2009.

  1. adavis
    Joined: Oct 13, 2006
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    I'm using a 1936 Farmall H tractor radiator in my T coupe in front of a Buick 401. I haven't had a chance to take it out yet, but am wondering if anyone knows how to calculate whether or not a certain size radiator will cool a certain displacement engine? I realize there are TONS of factors, such as vehicle weight, engine hp, etc. but is there a "rule of thumb" way to figure out if you can expect a given radiator to cool a given car?
     
  2. Ned Ludd
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    The only one I've come across was in a book on air conditioning by the proprietor of one of the street rod air-conditioning companies. I can't remember what got me to reading it because I've never had any aspiration towards an air-conditioned car. I ended up copying that page, as it was the only one that was of any use to me.

    Unfortunately I don't have the copy with me, but if I remember correctly it starts with a base figure of double the engine capacity for the core volume (w x h x t). That sort of gives you an indication of roughly the size of core to think about.

    The base factor (i.e. 2) is then modified by a lot of things. There's a sort of checklist that you go through adding .1 for this and subtracting .2 for that, to bring you to a final factor, which you multiply by the engine capacity.

    Does anyone have a better formula?

    By the way, can anyone tell me how much practical width there is inside a Deuce shell?
     
  3. Ned Ludd
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    Found it:
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    I was looking for it myself, because I found a very leaky BMW 728 radiator that I'd forgotten I had. Radically narrowed with a new core it'll just work in the '31.
     
  4. squirrel
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    That's a neat idea....
     
  5. Shifty Shifterton
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    Equations are great but here's the real situation for that T

    Your radiator height/width is determined by what looks right on that tiny car, and it's not a huge radiator.

    OK, the solution must be a thicker radiator. Except there's diminishing benefit for each "row" because previous rows heat the air. Thus you don't really see 5 and 6 row radiators.

    So really the question is how undersized is the radiator? It's a problem faced by every high horsepower T in existence. Do your research on water pump pulley drive ratios, be sure the fan is moving a ton of air, use vacuum advance, and you'll probably be fine.

    Neat chart posted by Ned. Lotta variables when ya start thinking about it.
    Good luck!
     
  6. adavis
    Joined: Oct 13, 2006
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    Thanks, Ned Ludd, for the great chart. I knew there had to be something out there that could give me a ballpark idea of what radiator size to shoot for. I realize that every vehicle is different and there are always a million variables, but at least this gives me a good base line starting point. I am currently running a Farmall Model H tractor radiator because it fit between my frame rails. The radiator is old and not that great, but I haven't had any cooling problems in the 250 miles so far. I'm testing the car with this old radiator and if it works throughout the summer I'll be ordering a new radiator (same application) to install over the winter.
    Thanks guys......I love the HAMB!
     

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