RANT! Its 'Punch A Resto-Nerd In The Nose' Time

And people wonder why Slag goes to wine and cheese cruise nights and sits on the hood of his flared ,big block tunnel ram,sleazy ass 64 Vette convert with his filthy boots,a greasy box of pizza,2 cans of soda and a pack of Marlboros sprawled all over the hood.

 

Fuck em it's my car if I want to paint it piss yellow with olive drab flames I will if they dont like it look away.............

 

I hang out at fordbarn, but it's a lot more comfortable here. I think their problem started when the Early V8 Club blew up and some of those guys hijacked the fordbarn site. It wasn't always like it is now, and I was disappointed Shelly caved in to their demand for a street-rod forum. It has really weakened a good site. There was even a guy recently going on about using slang terms like flatty, tranny, etc.

My favorite flathead forum is still BillB's msn group for '32-53 flathead V8's. A couple of the guys there are incredible gearheads and downright decent to boot. It's ok to ask hotrod questions, the guys drive their cars/trucks, and they'll even put up with an occasional sbc question without blowing a gasket. My daily driven '48 F1 (duals/smitty's/radials/12V and blue dots of course) is on the road because of them.

But that's flatties - for variety in my education I show up here. Thanks for letting me hang out - you guys and dolls are super cool!

 

This is almost as much fun as the streetrod guys that won't let 1948 and newer cars into their 'club.'

Our local bunch is called 'Vintage Tin.'

Guess how many of them drive fiberglass cars...

 

Buy the restorers old Ford body and then send him the 4" sections of the roof posts you chopped-all wrapped in styrofoam packing to protect during shipping!
They will then get an Idea of how you REALLY are.......

 

Best parts source on the web is fordbarn, Sam's right- loudmouths talk all the crap and usually don't even have a car. I found out REALLY quick not to waste and time on the forums with the STOCK NAZIS! Also those forums are so GOD DAMN difficult to read I just can't stand it. I never know if I read all the replys or not- that side sucks, but if you need anything that's the BEST place to put an want ad I've ever found- sold a few things there too- and all of them were hot rod parts to hot rodders!

 

they'll al be dead soon, and then we can hot rod their restored stockers!!

 

I think the one's that possibly irritate the most people outside their own group have got to be the "Resto-Rod" people.
Think about it, it's not a "hotrod" because it's very stock looking.
In fact, if it was a 39-54 Chevy it would be a "bomb".
But it's got just nough changes made to irk the restorers and not enough to get a rise out of the rodders...
I love them for it...Luggage racks and cowl lamps and small block Fords in Fords. With Jag suspension and Chrome wire wheels of course!

I met this restorer at the Belmont Shore show about a decade ago who had a couple of restored Star automobiles, one's a woodie. He was livid about all the "screwed up" cars surrounding him at that show. I tried to explain that a lot of them were probably beyond restoring to which he said "They can all be restored, it just takes more parts hunting" or something to that effect.
I said "Well So you find a couple of parts cars to get parts off of th restore one car, what do you do with what's left of the parts car? Isn't it ok to hotrod whats left of the one that's been compromsed? 'Mumble Mumble..." we didnt get anywhere...
Shoot forward to the Back to the Beach a couple or three years ago, I run into him again. He's still parking his restored Star woodie amongst the customs and rods but he isn't red in the face and mumbling an old man's conversation anymore. He's had the sense of mind to check out what peole are doing with the rods and has seen the creativity in them and although it's not the way he want's to put the stamps in his stamp collection albums at least he's accepted that this is the way other's have fun. We even compared wood work on our vehicles!

I don't see any point at all in buying a $10,000+ perfectly restored, complete Model A roadster, just to yank the body off and channel it over some rails for a rod, and toss off the rest.
It is just cheaper and way less work and shows more integrety to buy a Brookville body for less money and build from that.
Doesn't it?

What I can see doing is using a perfect original or restored car for is a Zocchi, or Dore style, every piece of trim perfect, style of custom. Ya gotta have a perfect "like new" car to begin with to build that type of custom.

 

My take on restoring a car. Pull it apart, clean and repaint and rebuild the original parts and bolt it back together without changing a thing. Is this really fun? Am I missing something? Then go to a meet and have someone rag on you because you used the wrong bolts to attach something. Way to bizarre for me. Where is the creativity? Hot rodding: start with a body shell and make a complete running car the way you want, now that is a challenge. I could never be a restorer. Nutz

 

Just my own opinion, in terms of pre-war stuff, really super nice original cars pro'lly SHOULDN'T be hotrodded in anyway that can't be reasonably undone. There's TONS of rod material out there still to turn into some killer rides, I haven't yet seen the need to tear into a nice complete stocker yet.

I actually got the heebie-jeebies when I saw that a restored '40 LaSalle coupe got turned into a billet-mobile. It was icky-sickening actually. Maybe it was just because I find billet-mobiles to be rather bland and decidedly VOID of having any flavor of being an old car. Who knows.

I guess I like cars both stock and rodded, maybe that's where I'm coming from. But the way I see it, there are TONS of cars out there that are not nice originals, and plenty of incomplete or rough material that can be turned into killer rides.

I guess that and two bits will not even buy a cup of coffee...

 

I will confess to this-
I will never have the patience or desire to RESTORE anything.
it must be something thats just inherant in your personality that God left out of me,,,,,,,,Imean -REALLLLLLY!
I am glad however that he saw fit to instill the urge to CUT SLICE FOLD SHRINK WELD AND HAMMER the FUCK outa anything and everything I come into contact with, till it suits my way of thinking.
I envy those dudes!

 

4 of my best friends are restorer types,and we all go to the Hershey meet (we camp together) every year. They give me a little shit(teasingly) about cutting my truck up.Only because it was a 65,00 mile, all original,numbers matching,VERY WELL documented,2 owner vehicle
Ron,(one of the restorer buddies) just happens to be a MOPAR nut that still owns the very first car he ever bought, a 1940 Plymouth coupe. Ron was here the day we brought the truck home,and as we were standing around bullshitting,I happened to look under the front seat,and there,was the original hand crank for my truck. Ron was just AMAZED at how complete the truck was,and mentioned the fact he had never got around to getting the crank handle for his car. I handed it over to him and said "here ya go,you can have this one". He was stunned that I would give him a part for his car,especially one the belonged to a complete vehicle like mine. My comment? "If this fucker won't start with the battery,then I won't be DRIVIN' IT!,I am NOT going to be hand crankin' a V-8!!"
He took the crank without saying another word..........

 

One more thought, then I'll leave this alone... OK two more thoughts.

When I was younger (14-15) my dad had me convince that restoring a old car was the only thing to do. I even judged A.A.C.A. shows a couple of times. I can tell you, we never judged one to be 100% orginal snd PERFECT, if you've got a stray modern hose clamp hiding under the engine or plastic wire connector lurking inside a framerail, my monkey ass climbing under your car was gonna find it. There are very few people that have the time or money to find and pay for everything to be PERFECT on their cars. If a restored car isn't 100% original in EVERY way, like somebody mentioned better than original paint work, it's customized. Period.

Second point, we only need one PERFECT example of a car in a museum to preserve history. I doubt that anyone with a truly PERFECT car would fault hot rodders for modifying a car, they know what it takes to make one perfect.

 

Time to chime in....
I'm going to wear, listen and do whatever the hell I want cause it's my life, and f*ck'em if they can't take a joke
Seriously, I listen to everything from underground hip-hop (Def Jux, Atmosphere), punk,drum n' bass, electro-core, 80's
watch everything from 'ER' to any Charlie Kaufman movie
I wear Chucks,New Balance, and old cowboy boots
and I like pretty much anything that goes fast...
close-mindedness is a disease that should be wiped out at all corners.
When someone asked about joining a club, the club guy said 'I don't know you; we're just a group of friends' so essentialy the question is 'Are you driving/wearing/listening/watching/reading something because of someone else's opinion or because you just love it'
Life's too damn short to live up someone else's expectations...

ps-the Chevytalk guys are also Nazi's and VERY political(as in GWB vs. JK).Thank you Ryan and Grimlock for cutting all that crap out.

 

reminds me of the story of the guy at an auction, he bought a big axe ,and the home owner , came over after the auction and said "well i am glad to see somebody bought my grandpas axe, he cleared all the land around here and built this house, and what a history ," the guy said well that;s cool, of course the home owner said well i had to replace the head twice and the handle 3 times , but it sure has alot of history

 

I think anyone who owns a HotRod or Custom probably has been accosted by some purest type at one time or another. Thing is,I love restored cars too, but I love hotrods and customs most of all. I've had this magnet on my dash for the last twelve years or so. Since I put it on, I can't recall being ragged on about butchering up my ride. It's kinda like one of those little things you put on your car to ward of the deer and other animals Bill

 

Got this on my frame rail,most of the time I get a Hell Yeah!
One time an older fellow looked me in the eye and said FU*K You Hippie! We rolled and laughed all over the parking lot for 5 minutes!

 

i see this come up in other forums also,


http://www.autoforumz.com/Antique-Cars-purist-rant-ftopict68936.html

 

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this kinda reminds me of a friend who raced a hot vw bug. it was an all steel, 32,000 mile car that was given to him when his g-ma passed away. well after driving it for 3yrs stock he decided to make it a street/strip car. he built a 2500cc mtr & wild tranny set up. at the track he was known for pulling about an 1/8 mile wheelie & going through the traps in the mid 10's. and all he ever got was grief becuase he was winning lots of races against big block chevy/ford/mopar cars. for the most part all he heard was "Fuck'n Volkswagon" from the guys he beat, very few would talk to him just because they got beat by a VW
i told him one day, yea know Elo fuck'em all. cause all i know is if a car, any car beats ya in a race, ya ain't gotta like it but you should at least respect the guy NO MATTER WHAT HE's DRIVE'n cause on that given day he was better & faster then you.


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he he he

to me, that's what it's all about

 

There's a guy with an import who wants to race my flathead powered Model A. I tried to explain the apples and oranges thingie, but it didn't get through. Then I proposed another competition. I would duel him with my pickup truck. Two races...Race #1 Red Light to Red Light. I predicted he would win. Race #2 We nose up to one another on a local dam. Then we see who can shove the other one into the water. He passed.

 

I've never been to the Fordbarn, but now I might, I just want to see what reaction the Packford gets. The HAMB is the ONLY place I frequent, thank God, otherwise I'd have even less of a life than some of you 'multiboarders' do.
I do go to AACA events as well as Studebaker/Packard and other tight assed shows specifically for the purpose of finding parts. Sure I look at the meticulously restored cars and I'm in awe of what it took to get the cars there. At the same time I find those cars to be lacking in soul.
For example my favorite car at the last Studey show was a '53 Starliner that had a hopped up SBC, it was seriously dropped and was running slot mags. It also had the original faded black paint. The guys that DROVE the car in were super cool, we yacked for ages, they also took a shine to the Packford.

The restorers for the most part had compacted toilet paper stuck up their bungholes. I'm sorry but this has been my experience ever since I was active in the local Tri Chevy club back in the mid '80s. I honestly wish I could have that time back, but the truth is there were no young dirty greasebags like me around in those days, so I wasted time with a bunch of geeks.

Restorers have to be myopic geeks, otherwise they could never build the sanitized cars they do. It's also been my experience that the hardcore restorer's goal is to accumulate points and sell that car and move on to next one so they can get closer to The Holy Grail, i.e the 1000 point car.

And if you wanna know the truth, every single "perfect" restoration I've ever seen is so far beyond what the factory built that it's not even really "restored", it's more of an excercise in utter cleanliness.

A car you can't drive isn't worth having, ditto a piece of furniture you can't sit on, a musical instrument you can never play or a girl so gorgeous she won't let you get in her pants.

Lastly, as far as how valuable a stocker versus a hot rodded car is concerned (let's just say Model As, not deuces etc) the hot rodded one usually gets more money.

Next time any you of filthy hot rodders go to to a resto swap, go incognito, don't let them know who you are.
Pretending to be European helps, but then they want to get more money for that priceless '28/'29 firewall.

 

I can sum this up real quick...

Hot Rodder: Paints a mill and makes it look nice, can communicate with the general public and has buddies from all over the auto spectrum. Goes to car shows.

Resto goof: Paints a mill and then sprays overspray all over it because thats how they were from the factory, can't stand the plebs and wears those damn overalls and has a red rag out the pocket. Goes to club meetings and ice cream socials. I know of a sample we in Dallas would love to send you so you can see what they are like...I would just need to go over to masterBetos Mexican Food to get him and we can crate him up and send him your way. I think Rashy has first dibs on him, so keep that in mind.

 

i like hot rods and i like stockers....i just like old cars is there a website just for people like me?

 

Time warp.....................................................

 

I love hotrods and I like restored cars as well they both have there place , the only thing that kinda of scares me is the thought that oneday we are all just going to run out of things . There will allways be aftermarket chevs and fords and stuff but what about the hemis and nailheads and olds rockets and flatheads and caddys and all the old cars and frames . You look at old pics of old scrapyards and at how many good cars were in those yards good bodies and chassis and it often makes me wonder just how many are really left out there .

 

If ever there was a time to say it, its now. FUCKING NEW GUY! Aye ca-rumba man look at the damn last time a post was made. Normally its spam this time of night that the old threads get drug up. That means I am comparing you to spam. I hope the mods close this drama thread.-Weeks

 

Its just like the eternal battle between Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans, will there ever be a resolution to the conflict? How many fake pointed ears and plastic Darth helmets have to pay the supreme sacrifice until we can all just get along?

Doc.

 

I was on a similarly anal retentive board a while back. It was a British car forum. I was looking for a few things for the suspension on an MGA Twin Cam (a relatively rare car). I got hammered with a thousand snotty , holier than thou, asshole remarks from these guys. Funny thing was, it was a factory restoration that I was working on. They just wanted to puff up their feathers and show the 'new guy on the board' that they were smarter than everyone else.

I got sick of it really quick, so I played stupid and mentioned that I couldn't find the carb setup that I needed, so I tossed the twin cam in the junkyard and was fitting a Honda VTEC setup, and could use some advise.

Holy shit! I was amazed at how mental they all went, and how fast! It was hysterical! I was banned in 16 minutes, but I could still read the thread. It went from page 3 to page 31 in 6 hours before the mod locked it.

One of the best times I have ever had pissing people off via the internets!

 

2004 says thank you!

 

2009 says you're welcome.