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Technical Rear wheel hub ( outer race - pitting) still ok or not?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by V8-m, Nov 18, 2024 at 2:21 PM.

  1. V8-m
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    Hello guys,
    I took the hubs off my banjo axle for inspection and saw corrosion damage in one place. Apart from that, the rest of the bearing race is in very good condition. The bearing itself, which is original Ford, also has pitting on two rollers. The bearing is in very good condition apart from the mentioned place with corrosion. Is this set suitable for further use? The wheel hub is from 1948. It does not appear that the outer bearing race can be replaced. I've seen such repair kits somewhere, but not for 1942-48 hubs.
    Regards
    IMG_20241118_210627.jpg IMG_20241118_210552.jpg IMG_20241118_210718.jpg IMG_20241118_210727.jpg
     
  2. TCTND
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    That's just going to get worse, and as it does, the rate of deterioration will continue to increase.
     
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  3. Budget36
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    Replace the bearing and race. Mac Van Pelt sells quality parts, check his website.
     
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  4. Jmountainjr
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    Looks like it sat in one place with water in the hub. The pitting is through the hardened surface, so it will continue to wear. It depends on how long you want it to last will determine if you should put it back together with that bearing.
     
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  5. jaracer
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    That is suitable to leave you stranded on the side of the road. That is worse than pitting, it is the beginning of spalling where chunks of metal break out.
     
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  6. lostone
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    Replace !!


    ....
     
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  7. Moriarity
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    lucky that you caught it when you did. better to replace now than on the side of the road....
     
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  8. 1biggun
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    Junk. Replaces it and be glad you caught it
     
  9. Tim
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    Ok so now he’s going to ask how to replace the outer bearing race. Someone want to point to a thread or video answering that?
     
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  10. V8-m
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    No problem I can handle this job only need to know if it's removable.
     
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  11. Budget36
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    I’ve never done a rear hub on a banjo rear, but should be a spot(s) to get to with a drift punch.
     
  12. V8-m
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    I can heat it up with TIG on couple of places and it should shrink enough to make it easier to remove.
     
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  13. Budget36
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    Look through the back of the hub, any spot to knock it out? Small lip on the race, slight cutout, etc?
    But I’ve never welded on a bearing race, I know it’s done on Cummins steel liners, but don’t know the process used. I’d think you’d weld, let it cool???
     
  14. alchemy
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    It’s not replaceable. Get a better hub.
     
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  15. seb fontana
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    I bet the axle housing [inner race] doesn't look too hot either?
     
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  16. alchemy
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    I’ve disassembled many rearends, and usually the hub is fine but the housing is bad. This one might be the opposite.
     
  17. V8-m
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    Bad news....
     
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  19. alchemy
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    Huh. Learn something new every day.
     
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  20. squirrel
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    It would be fine for short trips, but I wouldn't try a LeMons Rally with it.
     
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  21. dmar836
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    Don't go heating it up with a TIG torch. That would distort the concentricity for sure. Isn't it one piece anyway?
    If you can find a hardened sleeve(race) I would assume the hub would need to be turned and the new one pressed in. Still, I would wonder how concentric it would remain with an interference fit.
    I'm even concerned with facing hubs for new drums as I'm not sure how I will hold them. The hub is a rough casting on the OD, no?
     
  22. Tim
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    If a guy got the race out are they available to purchase? Some creativity can always get one out but finding something to replace it with is another thing.
     
  23. 1935ply
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    These races are not replaceable, you will need another hub. If the axle housing is worn or pitted you can have it turned down and a sleeve pressed on it. Not a small job and takes a big lathe. I think even speedway sells repop hubs if you can't find a good used one.
     
  24. alchemy
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    What drum are you planning on using with this 48 hub? Or are you sure it’s a 48 hub?
     
  25. Pretty sure that the 68-1236 sleeve being mentioned is for use in repairing earlier larger ID hubs ('28-'36 I think) and permit use of the later small OD axle bearings.

    Edited the year range as the large bearing was used up to '36.
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2024 at 11:27 AM
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  26. Maybe one of those nifty Industria Argentina drums.

    Picture does looks like an outside flange hub.

    I'd look for something better to start with.
     
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  27. V8-m
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    I think I have found solution...
    Bearing which is almost identacal O.D. with hub O.D. a little bit machining and it should press fit inside the hub.
    The inner race can be used as sleeve for axle housing.
    IMG_20241119_112749.jpg
     
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  28. brading
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    Last edited: Nov 19, 2024 at 4:37 AM
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  29. V8-m
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    No matches found for this number on ebay
     
  30. Budget36
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    Here’s a recent (2 years old) thread on the FordBarn, read through it. A member mentions he started reproducing the sleeves 25 years ago.
     

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