rebuilding after the crash

oooh weeee, sounds like too much excitement!

glad you kept it out of the wall.

 

We have so much power now we need to make a chassis adjustment.

 

Will you be replacing the rear coil-overs with the struts Jerry had made up to make it a solid rear ?

 

No. It's going to Brian metzenheims chassis shop. He was jeg cauflins pro stock chassis man. He is the local chassis guro in this area. It will be scaled then a four bar adjustment. Jerry has the car making so much power and there's so much left in it. At 300 feet there is not enough down force on the tires. Kilpatrick had the same issues in the past. Metz made adjustments and cured it. A converter car is different from a clutch car. They can't be treated the same.

 

I have bars to make the rear solid. That won't change the amount of force the chassis puts on the rear tire. Every fast street car and pro mod uses a suspended chassis. It can be done I just need to hire a expert that's way more knowledgeable on the subject than me.

 

Cool,
And Brian drives a Comet! He knows his stuff, it runs in the family.

 

Know him and he's the guy, known his Dad over 40 years and a gear head through and through. Brian will get you dialed in. He also took the reins over for his Dad's 27 Ford T big block roadster (RatSo), a true 9 second street car from over 25 years ago.

 

The lenco is apart for servicing. I have several gear options. It had a 144 and a 25 in it. I could tug it harder with a 134-25 or a 25-25. Most all funny cars use a 25-25. That's what I'm going to put in. To make it leave harder more timing will go in.

 

While at the race Danny Sullivan stopped by. He is looking great compared to the last time I saw him. He thanked me and gave me a hug. He wanted to hear the story because he doesn't remember any thing. Several of his friends stopped by to. It was very cool. If you don't know the story go back a page or two.

 

The full crew this past weekend. We have never posed for a pic like this.

 

Brian , I have been watching your thread since 2015 , watching/ reading along / detail ,
I am a no one , I have my thoughts ,
( just my thoughts to me)
Not wanting to start argument,
The car has revolved to close / max of the body Design shape ( brick) , modifications to Arrow of body are going to required, (new engine conbo)
& Down force on front & rear
90 -125 wheel base , You ready know
Hand full,
The chassis builder , Brain Metzenheims
Recommendations needed !!
If you are going to report to thread , what Brians recommendations ,
Body modification, Arrow ,
Down force ((Wings)) ,@ 125 wheel ,,
Stretch from 125- 150 , ( Wings Down force)
New chassis , or with modifications to capability
of adding pre load adjustments in the frame itself ,or in double rails,
Hard tailing ,
P/s & P/mod ,T/sportsman each different in there own , & your current chassis much different characteristics than the others,,
There are several A/Fc & type classes with your style chassis switching other over to converter set up like yours to hard tail ...

 

It's already 125 inches. The same as a modern funny car.
Chassis adjustments will be made.
Trans ratios will be made.
Stupid ugly wings will never go on the car. The guys putting those things on are no ero engineers. If you not testing in a wind tunnel you don't know if your helping or hurting. The angled roof acts like a big wing. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

 

I know your wheel base is 125 ,
Do you remember , over last few year , there been a few questions or suggestions made and innocently suggested/maybe take a look at,
There was several questions ignored , I get !! Who is this punk !!
a No one ,,,
last was your zoomies, In way you wrote / describe it was a big task, ?
Brian a long the way of this thread You have made comments to questions asked a few others & me ,,
Some answered and some ignored.
You did not need certain things you were gonna do it the old-school ways,
( Just 3 of many not )
Chassis /Frame, shocks ,Grid ...
Not a Jungle Jim chassis,
There are many things you are using
Not old Fashion way ,, I get it !!! You have installed /using modern technology because it's needed,
The you call Stupid Ugly Wing,
Do you Really think a lot of us add if we do not need when you get to certain point of speed & Et ? The down force and to stabilize.
Off topic but about down force ,
To get a Pro stock /Pro mod License is one of the most expensive and difficult to get, because of No down Force ?
$60K -100k ,, 2-3 current license drivers
Present every time the car goes down the track because No Down Force
slick Arrows compared to a Brick,
Square Flat windshield,
If the Rules would let , There would be Wings/ more down force added , Even in MoTo bike ,like F1 of
bikes have Wings , 230 down straight away ,
140 plus laid completely over in turn.
Down force & Arrow required,,
Do not know your goal ,
6:99 @210
6:80's 215-220ish
6;50s 240 -250
Not asking your goal,

Would think if Drag only Now
Clutches in the Can instead of converter,
More work thoe , fine tunning adjustment track /tracks

In last month I know of 3 cars locals get balled up @ legit on Tour NHRA 1/4 tracks in 1/8 & one Legit IHRA 1/4
They where 3:50 -3:80s
Limited To Down Force by rules!!
Not enough down force ,,
Brian
I like one day to hear read about
Satisfied and accomplish of your goal whatever they might be in 1/4 ,

Brain , To me the car was more
Unique on Dual Fuel Street /Drag,
$$$ & some issues, But was unique to its own and you did it, Dual Fuel !!

Brian , not for sure it was you or here
Was it you stadding in side a wind tunnel ? Like I think @ MOPAR

 

The thing with the wing is maybe some day I would need one. When that time comes is the time I won't try to go faster. I agree on the unique comment on the duel fuel. I might go back to it someday after this phase plays out. If i do a wing that means holes in the body for struts. Im not doing that. I just don't like the look. I try to keep it looking old. I use modern parts when necessary. I have covered the clutch thing before. I can't access it for service. I can't get to the inspection cover for the feeler gauges. The entire car would need to be re worked to make the body hinge from the back.
This is a rapidly changing car right now. We are zeroing in on 200 mph. Everyone's input and ideas are welcome here. Some questions are not answered because the answer would get so detailed and long it might bore people or I might not have a answer. More to come. It's 6am and I haveca lenco to build.

 

Bryan Hall went 5.98 @ 240 in the Tramp without retarded looking wings, spoilers, or canards. Brian doesn't need them either.

 

Paul Brown video;

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1168803074202369

 

Edward Schultz videos;

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806626938203305

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3736491743276937

 

Aaron Richardson videos;

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3521722821469617

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1145884893130111

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1258405895612163

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=438363909034907

 

Jerry Kaye videos;

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=465000199505494

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1019825856818899

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=399627902489149

 

If you are not Facebook friends with some of those people, you may not be able to see the video. Some of the other videos are public.

 

Pull Brains 30-31 MOPAR body the way it is , Mount on The Altered/ Fc chassis shown , will not Act , handle , go threw air the same way,
Watching Norwalk race , seen a few
T/Fc windshield start to cave in again .
I went 220 25years ago my self with a chassis like shown
125 wb NHRA/IHRA A/Fc piping

 

Crap! I missed out big here. I was home in Dubuque for the Studebaker thing over the weekend. I drove from Dubuque to Des Moines Monday morning, I couldda stopped to see this and meet you. Now I'm back in Atlanta. GRRRR. Anyways, I'm rootin' for you Brian, Keep wrenchin'!

 

I think I get what you're saying. Brian has a combination that is pretty much a one-off. When you're mixing chassis/motor disciplines and styles, there's bound to be some decision points where it's pretty much uncharted territory, and you have to take a guess as to what will work. He's no dummy, and I think he has some sense of self preservation. I'm a big fan of these shenanigans.
No doubt, wings would help a bunch, but there are a very few newstalgia fuel altereds are still out there showing it can be done without much aero. I just saw Pure Hell in Bowling Green, and they definitely have an ironed-out combination that puts down good numbers with no aero. I'm not claiming I could figure it out, I've had my ass handed to me a time or two, but I'm pretty sure it could be done, repeatedly.

 

Was not putting down Brain , @ Least it was not my intentions to,
Just gets to a point @ around 200 thing get funky ,
In 1994 a family member was running
A all steel street car none chop 32 5 w with fenders , was a hand full , Blown , tubbed on Mcorys , hand full @ 155 around
900 ft thew 1/4 , Brick ,No cage ,@
Speed World tossed out 2nd pass

About Dual fuel ,
I have said before , I Only know of Two
Cars running/ Ran dual fuel
Brian , MOPAR @ a black 1932 roaster from
Cali around 1957

 

Part of not wanting to put a wing on it is the fact I might put it back on the street. What do I do with at least four big holes?

 

You've come a long way baby!!!

 

Hell NO!!!!

 

I am with Brian on cutting up on body ,
Rear struts could be slip join out from under body , to be removable , front struts Would have to go threw Sail panel, Quarter , Deck lid .
In my 32 I have been wanting to use a
Lenco , or clutchless trains , I do not want to cut up floor & remove original seat, also wanting to add 10-12 point
Jungle Gym ( roll cage) but not to run back bars out side of body , want one like Fryberger F-Rod with engine plate maybe mid , & Jungle Gym all slip joint & removable ,& keep all four fenders , It needs one now , that why I only run the 1/8 100-115 mph , 4 link none tubbed

 

The car is now making some power. It's spinning the tires at 300 feet. Now let's get into lenco gears.
I have a 3 speed trans. I can run it as a two speed I just need a gear engaged.
As a three speed my 1st gear ratio was a 1.86. This was too much. It was almost un driveable. So I started shifting it in second gear that made it 1.25. That calmed it down alot.
I have a second lenco with 25 percent gears in both cases. If I shift it as a three speed the first gear ratio is a 1.56 if I leave in second it's a 1.25. Most modern day funny cars use the 25-25 gear ratios. So I will try it as a three speed again geared down. If the track is good and it sticks the 60 foot times should drop. It should also create more speed before 300 feet. This should help it not spin the tires as all the timing is coming back in.
So how do you make more power to pull the gear? Timing. Timing is everything on a nitro engine. Having the ratios close to each other makes a hemi happy.
As far as the chassis tuning goes Brian Metzenheim will be hired to scale and set up the chassis next week. I will bring the bars to eliminate the shocks. We will have a discussion on them. Whatever he recommends on a instant center along with shocks or no shocks will be followed. A setting can be made to apply more pressure to the tire as the car goes down track. He did it on a buddies car that's similar to mine.
So between the chassis the gears and the grid we should be able to get it dialed in by the fuel altered nationals. We are closing in on 200 mph. Jerry Newman swears it's got a 220 -230 in it.