Register now to get rid of these ads!

Rod and Custom article on Toyota four-poppers

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by a1930ford, Apr 23, 2006.

  1. a1930ford
    Joined: Aug 27, 2005
    Posts: 140

    a1930ford
    Member

    Anyone seen or have pics of 22R, 2T-C, 3T-C engines in a cruiser or street rod? The article was interesting and makes one wonder if the newer generation will eventually replace Dad's old flathead or 350/350 with something they are more inclined to know about. Since they are more knowledgable about rice rockets and all, it seems pretty sure that this will become an avenue that one will see more of in the future. Not only due to economy thoughts, but performance parts availability, engine availability, ease in pumping up the horse power to them, lack of overall weight, and overall ease to transition will all be factors that the traditionalist will lament about, but the non-traditionalist will likely see more of.

    Anyone know of any pics, web sites or such that shows Model A's or other rods with these engines and trannys in them?

    * Ok, if you don't like them, great for you. I'd rathar hear the positive though, instead of your likes and woes. If you do find the swap interesting and a possibility to consider, then please comment in what you have seen or tried. Pics of the T's seem to be about all I can locate on the web. I love the Model T with the hemi in it, but I am looking for some of the other engines as well.
    I'd really love to see a sedan with a 2T-C or 3-T engine in it.
     
  2. t-town-track-t
    Joined: Jan 11, 2006
    Posts: 884

    t-town-track-t
    Member
    from Tulsa

    I have a 2t-c that I am throwing together right now, its not currently in a running car, but will be in the hopefully near future. I am building it up for my roadster. I'm glad someone else brought this up!
     
  3. t-town-track-t
    Joined: Jan 11, 2006
    Posts: 884

    t-town-track-t
    Member
    from Tulsa

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Here is what they look like in stock trim. I have since stripped it down of all that is not needed to run, which was absolutly everything. I have it on the motor stand and I am prepping it for paint, but I currently have no pics of it in that state. I may be able to get current pics in the next day of two.
     
  4. to each his own,but i don't understand why you would?:confused:
     
  5. primer
    Joined: Apr 29, 2005
    Posts: 399

    primer
    Member
    from clio mich

    they still cast v-8 blocks every day just my 2 cents
     
  6. hatch
    Joined: Nov 20, 2001
    Posts: 3,667

    hatch
    Member
    from house

    EVERYTHING IS JUST "RAW MATERIAL"!!!!!!!!!!!!....It's not what you start with, it's the finished product.....no rules please....no pigeon holing...no whining....just get in the shop and BUILD SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. kermit
    Joined: Feb 26, 2006
    Posts: 197

    kermit
    Member
    from WI

    [I have seen two Model T's with side draft carbs on the 22 engine. Neither one had been completed yet but they sure looked KILLER.

    Kermit:D
     
  8. brandon
    Joined: Jul 19, 2002
    Posts: 6,370

    brandon
    Member

    older picture .....and still not done.....would have put a hemi in it.....but the rebuild was going to cost what the car is going to built for......ha ...plus the fresh 20r was free.....hoping to have it out at louisville nsra nats....brandon
     

    Attached Files:

  9. JimA
    Joined: Apr 1, 2001
    Posts: 4,795

    JimA
    BANNED

    Brandon- BITCHIN' car.
     
  10. brandon
    Joined: Jul 19, 2002
    Posts: 6,370

    brandon
    Member


    sad thing ....most of it was built in 01...including the toyota setup......put it away to get my big block anglia on the road ......well.......9 cars later ...i got it back out ....and still can't stay focused on it.....hahah thanks brandon
     
  11. fab32
    Joined: May 14, 2002
    Posts: 13,985

    fab32
    Member Emeritus

    Brandon, I'm predicting you'll have lots of company in the next ten years I love the older American power plants and will probably use them until I die. I've got a decent stash that should take a 61 year old to his grave but my son and grandson will need a transfusion of smaller foreign and domestic powerplants if they are to carry on with anything remotely associated with hot rodding as the price of gas keeps going up and the old parts/engines dry up.

    Frank
     
  12. brandon
    Joined: Jul 19, 2002
    Posts: 6,370

    brandon
    Member

    i won't say this is the last foreign motor for me .....but i keep adding to my stash of regular hot motor parts....i still want to use a 93-ish lt1 and a 6 speed in something old.....i had a 93 z28 that would scare ya ....cut a 1000 pounds off of it ....and its dangerous....hahah around the shop , i constantly get the "why a toyota" remarks.....i tell them ....if there happened to have been a 2.5 s10 motor and t5 laying around .....then it would have been it in there.....more of a convienence thing....and lack of cash invested.....haha thanks brandon
     
  13. leon renaud
    Joined: Nov 12, 2005
    Posts: 1,937

    leon renaud
    Member
    from N.E. Ct.

    seems funny to me that so many on here trash foreign cars/power plants when in the day we built lots of foreign bodied cars like Anglias ,Fiats early mgs even some Isettas. Now i realy love the old stuff NOTHING can compare to a full house flathead for looks or sound , but just today to get a full running gear for a flat motor car I would have to spend close to $1,000 for basics i can buy 10 good running S10s or Toyotas for that !i reciently had a 80 Celica gt that I got free and the driveline was in exelent shape around here they rot away but that doesent affect the drivetrains.If a youngun uses the old rule of find a donor car and strip everything they can build an entry level rod pretty reasonably I remember before 1-800 send a car that this is just what every rod book stressed ! anyone remember the DSR76 built in streetrodder , datsun powered 29 roadster definiatly a hotrod ok end of my rant
     
  14. Ryan
    Joined: Jan 2, 1995
    Posts: 22,207

    Ryan
    ADMINISTRATOR
    Staff Member

    I haven't seen anyone bash anything... I have seen people point out the fact that this is a forum for TRADITIONAL hot rods and kustoms and that these engines don't really fit that bill. I happen to agree, but don't see any harm in a post or two on the topic.

    If folks have any restraint at all, they will let this post focus on the topic at hand and NOT their opinion...

    I'm thinking I might bann forever the first person to ignore my post and head for the drama line... That would be funny.
     
  15. Spedley
    Joined: Mar 5, 2004
    Posts: 392

    Spedley
    Member

    I have a 22r with a mild 20r head on it, and a header in my o/t 4x4 daily, it'll make my 35x12.5 tires howl if I really want, stock gears too. Seems to have fair power in there, but I think it'd be a blast in a little t.
     
  16. triplexkustoms
    Joined: Dec 29, 2005
    Posts: 327

    triplexkustoms
    Member

    i am building a model a with a built up banger. lots of money on parts. anyone want to sell me an overhead valve conversion cheap? i also plan on bulding a model a with a toyota 22r/5 speed. i just like 4 cylinders. better fuel economy for my daily commute.
     
  17. brandon
    Joined: Jul 19, 2002
    Posts: 6,370

    brandon
    Member

    what were ya running for a cam in it....? thanks brandon
     
  18. Spedley
    Joined: Mar 5, 2004
    Posts: 392

    Spedley
    Member

    It has a Crane stage 2 cam. Pulls up to 52-5400 rpm. Hooker header, y-pipe to duals right behind that (dont ask) Head supposedly has a little port cleanup and a slight milling. Works good, sounds kinda cool too.
     
  19. blue57ford
    Joined: Jul 24, 2005
    Posts: 491

    blue57ford
    Member

    We used to have a 81 creseda that we used for a shop car. Learned to drive in that car. In the five years we had it, we must have put about 200,000 miles on it. We ran the piss out of it. Motor ran strong. It was an inline six. When my dad sold it, all it needed was a starter and valve seals in the head. Would imagine that the inline 6 would make a nice motor in a full bodied car or truck. Great motor in my opinion.
     
  20. fuel pump
    Joined: Nov 4, 2001
    Posts: 3,620

    fuel pump
    Member Emeritus
    from Caro,MI

    I couldn't agree more
     
  21. JimA
    Joined: Apr 1, 2001
    Posts: 4,795

    JimA
    BANNED

    I disagree with;
    dirty faded spray can Black primer paint jobs
    fat plastic 70s & 80s Tilt columns
    Disc brakes on open wheeled cars
    Flame throwers hanging 2 feet past the bumper
    LED taillights
    dirty fur interior
    fat radial tires (especially on the front)
    digital gauges
    painted chrome (especially bumpers)
    side trim removal with holes left behind or filled with bullets

    Do I see them everyday- yes.

    Do I feel compelled to let people know I personally don't agree with these things everytime I see them on a "traditional" car...
     
  22. I'll add to that list.

    I disagree with Asian powered "rods". There never was and should never be such atrocities.

    I agree, there could be alternatives to the venerable 350, but if you're gonna do a four-pot, stick with GM or Ford power. Zetecs are raced up and down all SCCA events, and the Ecotec was in the last Bonneville speedster "tank".

    Last - F*** Toyota
     
  23. JimA
    Joined: Apr 1, 2001
    Posts: 4,795

    JimA
    BANNED

    That's all good- but cheap and easy to get aren't part of that equasion with the new GM & Ford bangers- just the cost of putting a trans on them could get you a nice 350/350 combo. Plenty of cheap aftermarket stuff made to put on the super easy to get, super cheap and super reliable "Asian" engines. No one would ever force you to run one of these engines- it's just an alternative.
     
  24. Jim-
    I know what you mean. It depends on what your reason for doing a four-pot would be. With escalating gas prices, maybe a banger would save some long-term cashola. Places are now able to couple up the Zetec etc. with 5-speeds, like from the Merkur.

    I just saw the "Toyota" in the header and about had a coronary. Which part of this sentence doesn't fit? "I was reading about Toyota engines on the HAMB the other day. . . . "
     
  25. fuel pump
    Joined: Nov 4, 2001
    Posts: 3,620

    fuel pump
    Member Emeritus
    from Caro,MI

    Insert Rod & Custom where HAMB is above and you get the same reaction from me.
     
  26. AZAV8
    Joined: May 3, 2005
    Posts: 997

    AZAV8
    Member
    from Tucson, AZ

    That is a pretty wide valve cover and resembles the valve cover of the little Toyota hemi V-8 that has shown up in a T at the NSRA nationals. Is this a hemi also? I'm asking because I know nothing about these motors. The only Japanese car I ever owned was an '81 Honda Civic wagon.

    This motor is a non-traditional motor for a hot-rod. That said, hot rodders have always been creative and innovative. Sometimes thinking outside the "normal" patterns, stimulates the brain so the person thinks more creatively in using the traditional hardware.

    That's my nickle's worth.
     
  27. farna
    Joined: Jul 8, 2005
    Posts: 1,299

    farna
    Member

    Well, the next car I build is getting a Ford 2.3L turbo motor (from a Merkur XR4ti). I havent decided if I'm going to build a track-T style car or highly customize a 62 Rambler American I've got stashed away just for such a purpose (doors welded shut, body sectioned 3", no roof.... haven't done a thing yet!). But I like to be able to drive my cars, and big V-8s like lots of gas. Even smallish flat-head Ford V-8s take a bit of fuel once pumped up a bit, plus someone already mentioned the cost of getting into one. They will always have a place in a traditional rod, but rodding started with taking what you could find and turning it into something "better". The easiest to get raw material right now is those fours and small V-6s. Cheap too! That means more dough for body and chassis building/mods, and other things...
     
  28. Well, two opinions on the pics above. First, the progressive end of it: When rodding was in its infancy, wasn't it all about getting what you could get your hands on cheap and making it go like stink? Guys would be combing through junkyards for a cheap 409 or flathead (pick your era). So a new(er) tech four pot fits with that mentality, just made more current.

    But the second is where I have a little difficulty. Look at those pics above, and tell me that's gonna make a "pretty" looking engine. Makes the 350 look down right like a visual masterpiece.

    I could be proven wrong, though.
     
  29. 49 Fastback
    Joined: Jun 24, 2005
    Posts: 500

    49 Fastback
    Member
    from Ohio

    I was interested in the little sidebar about engine vibration. From my reading of it, it kinda seemed to be an argument against using these engines--it seems like you need a lot of complicated (to me at least) vibration control measures. But I'm pretty clueless about this stuff. Does anyone have a more informed perspective?
    I think that these motors may be a great way to get a low cost ride going. How many guys give up because of how long it takes to save $$, or find a decent engine? These suckers will give you the hot rod taste at the beater car price.

    If you don't like this thread, then go away.:(
    Yeah, what he said. :D



    Oh, yeah, and is it just me or is the font size larger in the new R&C? And the paper feels thinner too.

    Tucker
     
  30. I'm always curious as to what exactly is "traditional" as there seem to be quite a few cars showcased here on the HAMB that I'm sure make those over the age of 60 scratch their heads and say WTF is that!

    The little non US 4 cylinders can be made to look a lot like an Offenhauser mill.
     

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.