Sorry, no intent to bust your balls or anyone else on here who wants to build an old style hotrod out of new parts I should have clarified my statement when I said "Trying to make a new reproduction steel, fibergl*** car or a new build look old is lame."There are only so many true survivor cars out there, so I have no issue with using the sum of the parts (including new bodies, steel or gl***) to build an old school ride. For me, what I feel is "lame" is when the builder/owner goes to the umpteenth degree then to paint it up to make it look like a barn find or a survivor car. They are the ones who sit back then and watch 90% of those go gaga over their ride, thinking they are looking at a true survivor car when in actuality it was just built in the last 2-3 years or even last winter. Some are really good at it. I have seen many that will fool the best connoisseur's of survivor cars. Ever wonder why most of the cars with fake patina paint don't have interiors in them? it is kind of hard and would be very expensive to have an upholster fake a patina interior. I doubt you could ever get the smell correct anyway. lol. Interiors are obviously one of the first things to begin deteriorating with years of sitting, but the true survivor cars will most always have some of the do***entation/history that goes with it, such as maybe a s**** book detailing its history with pictures from back in the day etc. While it is easy to doctor up a s****book, its harder to show the pictures of it resting in an old barn or covered shed and being drug out for the first time in years. Pictures of the various engine, transmission and paint combinations over the years, pictures of being raced at tracks from back in the day. Do***ented pictures with dates of the owners/girlfriends dressed in their clothing and hairdos of the time standing with the car are a bonus as well. Like someone else stated earlier, patina is earned. Fake patina or accelerated patina as it was called earlier? For me, not so cool. So F&J, are we ok?
My original patina car (has a paint job from probably the 50's with lots of sand through and s****es and some rust). No upholstery when we got it, and we've since added some old seat covers over restuffed seats. But my wife is getting tired of riding in a dusty and windy car. So we are thinking of adding new upholstery and making it a bit more comfortable. Leather or naugahyde would be nice, and something that looks old would be best. But I won't try to fake any patina into it by adding tears, stains, or worn edges.
Sort of like when guys build a new "show hot rod", like was built in the 50's and 60's, and then watch as spectators go gaga thinking they are looking at a true survivor, not a fake reproduction of one that was actually built in the last 2 or 3 years. Opinions are like......
Hey alchemy, You need to find some old Schott leather bomber jackets. The leather on those patinas beautifully! They would look great as seats! I've got one but I still wear it!
Yes we are Ok. Thanks for a well written, level headed post you made. I did once feel a little of what you don't like about the applied patina. I have since changed my opinion on not putting these builders all in the same group, if that makes any sense. I put the Bones Crew in a different category. They are very skilled at the entire build style that they build on a regular basis. The thing that makes them special in my mind, is that they don't appear to be trying to fool anyone, as they are will to share their processes on the entire build from front axle to the distressed paint. They don't hide the fact that they apply the paint technique, and most important to me, and others, is that they do promote "driving rods" and promote this hobby. I don't know if they still do the fall reliability runs, or still offer to have others tag along on their trips to the Salt. These guys are a huge plus to our hobby in my opinion, and although I have never met them, I've heard they are so willing to help others by phone during their busy shop hours. The unfortunate outcome of some of us that don't like a certain thing done to any build, and if we say it on here, is that those people leave the hamb...which is a great loss. Example: I detest the use of huge stock 32 lights on a so called 50s build, especially mounted so low on the ground. It looks so awful to "me", and clown car-ish, because I know what the old hotrods used then. So, it just looks wrong to "me", and that's not my fault of how "my" brain remembers things. But those are not my cars, so why should I post that dislike on their build threads? It does not add anything positive, and it's what "they" like.
For 15 years, my 41 Ford Truck has been driven hard and put away wet. And it has been sitting with a bad transmission and the middle of wiring job for two years. The 'patina' has now become a paint thin rusty '40 and I am thinking it is time for a new look. But when I mention it to my friends, you think I was talking about blasphemy. The cab corners are rusted through, the drivers door sags, the spray can black primer is almost purple, the Watson laid out flames are rock pitted, and the finally acquired hood is all brown surface rust. So now I have to asked: Should it (patina) stay or should it go????
Using the materials from old leather jackets is a great idea. As for what F&J said, I have no bones with the Bones guys. At least they are out driving the **** out of what they build. That's more than you can say for alot of guys on here
Hey MercDuce, I'm old, I love old cars, old clothes old houses, old engineer and cowboy boots, even old china cabinets and china! My wife has 6 full! My Schott is only about 40 years old, that's kind of "newer"!
I bet I could buy a whole cow for the cost of a vintage bomber jacket. My job will be done on a much tighter budget.
Oh I forgot to mention my quality A-2 Bomber Flight Jacket is a reproduction too and has the "coveted look of a true vintage garment" according to US Wings in Ohio where I purchased it. My blue jeans are also pre-washed and aged a little for comfort and fit! I have been very honest and up front on my builds, as you can see I mentioned how I finished the coupe using the kitchen comet early in this thread just like the Rolling Bones. We haven't hid anything from the first day on the road including the information used in the feature article in Street Rodder Magzine. Honestly....after several years of driving we always seem to draw a crowd only hear sincere and nice compliments. Once in a while an old school hot rodder will stop by and peck on the coupe and ask if its original. I always hesitate a little and then say no it's a Brookville body that we finished at High Noon Speed Shop! High Noon Speed Shop - Baltic, Ohio follow my new blog: https://ontheroadtonowhereville.wordpress.com/
Hey Spitfire, No disrespect here... at all. Please don't take offence. I have seen the article and pictures of your car before. I really like what you have done. Especially with the Red Ram. I drove one in the late '60s... great engine! If I had your enthusiasm, I would have one in my '31 by now! Your attention to detail in the finishing process is amazing. I do appreciate the work. I wish I had half your tallent, and determination! It's a big sand box with room for everyone. If anything, builds like yours do a lot to keep the flames burning for hopefully many more generations.
I miss the fall reliability runs. Participated in several of them. As for patina, Everybody has an opinion.
I'm very fortunate to own two original '32 Fords, a roadster and a 3W. My opinion is that the newer built reproduction cars are great, but they are reproductions. I certainly appreciate the quality built reproductions but to me they are decoys not ducks. That said, the creation of the reproduction cars have increased the involvement of many folks that aren't as fortunate as me to own original cars. So I support the efforts of shops, like the Bones, to continue the involvement in this great hobby. Keep building them and enjoy the ride.
Fogger, You are very fortunate to own two originals however keep in mind the America's Most Beautiful Roadster Award went to an awesome Highboy with old time looks and the builder used one of the "decoys" Brookville Roadster bodies your talking about. If a guy was lucky enough to find an original body however many would also need some "decoy" Brookville parts to make right. I really don't think using an all steel reproduction body is a negative as once thought. Both seem to do very well and now accepted by most. High Noon Speed Shop Baltic, Ohio
Hey Jimmy, To tell the truth, I've been in many barns, and found and bought many cars, but I'm still looking for a '32 roadster like that one. I've had that picture for a while, but no clue where it is! I wouldn't have enough cash to even buy that one if I found it!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Am I a snob for turning up my nose at a gl*** body? Not at all, its the way I feel, besides, they make me itchy just standing beside them. A reproduction steel body on the other hand, is perfectly alright with me. I would prefer to have an original and am fortunate enough to have mine, but the amount of work involved in making them solid is not for the lazy. My 36-5 window has more replacement steel in it than a Brookville roadster, so who am I to complain about them. Bottom line, its your car, your money, your time, build it as you please, just don't try to p*** it off as an original and we'll be just fine. Oh, and don't try to dress up an SBC as a Flathead, that puts us over the edge.
Some of the 2nd. hand stores such as the Goodwill or local Habitat stores often times have real leather chairs/sofas etc. from major hotel chains that periodically update the furnishings that may well fit the budget if seeking interior yardage in like new to well worn & everything in between.
True patina out of a Midwest salvage yard I brush painted the white wheels and bumpers. . Lettering is current. I have to work on that a little more.
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