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Technical Sbc head Id??

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  1. Dan Coburn
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    Just got home with this engine, trying to decipher it is a 262 or 305. Neither of which is the 350 I wanted ... anyway I'm having trouble finding this casting mark online. 20220730_175457.jpg
     
  2. 427 sleeper
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    Not sure what you're referring to as a casting mark, but it might be easier to ID what you have with the casting number's on both the block and the head's.
     
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  3. squirrel
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    we just spent a while explaining to someone else that a rectangle with a round notch out of it, is not two humps :)

    I don't recall what the head ended up being, sorry.
     
  4. Dan Coburn
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    Yep not camel humps, I'm thinking 305. But it's not an exact match of what I'm seeing online.
     
  5. MCjim
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    Pull a valve cover off...see the 7 digit number ? Google it.
     
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  7. Johnny Gee
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    Looks like 416 305 heads with 1:84 intakes?
     
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  8. Dan Coburn
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    I'll get the engine in the shop tomorrow and get the valve covers off and get the casting numbers. Sad to say I'm hoping it's a 305 not a 262. The block casting says it could be either. And all I see about a 262 is even worse than a 305.
     
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  9. Budget36
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    But about about 50% more horse power than your merc;)
     
  10. Dan Coburn
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    True enough!
     
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  11. 1971BB427
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    Block numbers are above the bellhousing in back, and head numbers under the valve covers. Those shoule tell the story better than the shape of the end of the heads.
     
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  12. Dan Coburn
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    Ok the number is 354434 which still say it COULD be either a 262 OR 305..... I guess the only way to know is pull heads and measure bores????
     
  13. pprather
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    What is the block casting number? Behind the distributor, on the bell housing flange.
     
  14. 427 sleeper
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    What does the crank flange look like? Didn't the 305 and 350 use the same #442 crankshaft casting? If it has a 350 style flange that would make it a 305.
     
  15. squirrel
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    no stamped number on the top right front of the block? That's the easiest way to tell what you have

    casting number at the back of the block is next easiest. Pulling a head to measure the bore...yeah, I suppose that would work, if you are desperate!
     
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  16. Dan Coburn
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    The problem I've been having guys is the block comes up as either a 262 OR 305. So I pulled a valve cover and the number on the head has the same results.
     

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  17. gimpyshotrods
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    There is a pad in front of the p***enger-side cylinder, that is the same plane as the block deck.

    That will have a code stamped in it, and some even had a partial VIN stamped as well.

    That will tell you what it is.

    The only way that the code would be missing is if the block has been decked.

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    The pad has varied in width over the years. That does not matter.

    If you cannot read anything on it, s****e it. If the block has been heavily painted, it can obscure those stampings.
     
  18. Dan Coburn
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    Ok trying to decipher this now, thanks. 20220731_180134.jpg
     
  19. gimpyshotrods
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    Tonawanda Engine Plant
    July, 13

    Working on the rest.
     
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  20. gimpyshotrods
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    The 262 was produced between1975-1976. The 305 started in 1977, and on from there (to I don't know when exactly, maybe 1996-1996 in the US).

    It's going to depend on the production year:


    CPB
    76
    305
    140
    2B,TH350
    CA,CH,EC,MC,NO


    CPB
    80
    267
    120
    2B,TH350
    MA,MC
     
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  21. squirrel
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    if there's a partial VIN sequence stamped up there, it will give the year. It will have 9 characters, the second is the year (either a number if it's from the 70s, or a letter if from the 80s. 6 = 1976, A = 1980) Or look for the casting date on the back of the block, a letter followed by 2, 3, or 4 number. Last number is last digit of the year.
     
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  22. gimpyshotrods
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    IMHO, those appear to be late, pre-centerbolt, 305 heads.
     
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  23. blowby
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    That's a good engine.

    It was built on my birthday. :)
     
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  24. Dan Coburn
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    Well I couldn't find any more numbers on this thing, so I guess we'll just call it a 305. Not the 350 I was told it was, but it should work to get the project rolling. Believe you me that's the last time I buy an engine without running the casting number first. I guess we learn everyday. Then again I hear people making some pretty decent power with a 305 as well, and since the 41 isn't going to be a pro street car by any means it may be just fine. We shall see.
     
  25. gimpyshotrods
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    Do a compression check.

    If it looks good, clean it up, put a decent cam and lifters in it.

    Grab a manifold, carb, and some headers at a swap meet.

    You can always move that stuff to a 350 later, if you really need the other 45-cubic-inches.
     
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  26. Dan Coburn
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    Luckily it came with an Edelbrock eps on it already, distributor, cool valve covers, water pump, flex plate and crank pulley/balancer. So not too bad of a deal considering.
     
  27. gimpyshotrods
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    Run it! You'll have fun, and that's what this is all about!

    So long as it is in decent shape overall, it will make a fine cruiser.

    Not every straight stretch of road is a drag strip.
     
  28. oldolds
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    Unless you are racing that car the 305 with a 4bbl will get that car down the road with no problem. With a mild cam it will do it better. 305's got a bad rap for the soft cams and emission junk on them. Once you change that stuff they are pretty good performers.
     
  29. squirrel
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    when the SBC first came along, guys were going nuts swapping that little 265 into their hot rods. Nothing wrong with a "little" one.

    unless you can find a 327, of course!
     
  30. pprather
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    Looks like a Corvette 350 to me!
     
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