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Technical Shifter tower stuck of flathead tranny

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by FlatJan, Jun 17, 2014.

  1. FlatJan
    Joined: Dec 13, 2013
    Posts: 323

    FlatJan

    Hello Hambers,
    I have the problem that the 39 shifter tower of my flathead toploader stuck up.
    I don't know how this happened because it was still working great some months ago.
    I was able to get the small fork back to work but the big one won't move :(
    I unscrewed the detents and could take out the springs but could not get the balls. There was no sludge or anything in there so I first drowned it with wd40.
    So what can I do to get my little friend back to work?.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2014
  2. Mac VP
    Joined: May 13, 2014
    Posts: 508

    Mac VP
    Member

    Did you modify this shifter housing in any way? If so, that is the first thing to suspect, and it would help to know what was done.

    If the shift housing is still completely stock, the mechanism will prevent you from moving either fork & shaft out of its neutral position while the other fork & shaft is in a gear position. The neutral position is set when you can see a detent notch on both sides of the casting.

    The balls (if stock parts) are only in place from old gooey grease and dirt. Spray a solvent into the detent opening (watch your eyes). Hold the shifter housing sideways (detent hole facing down) and tap the housing from below with a brass hammer. The ball should fall out. This pic link shows the correct stock parts for a 1939 tower:
    http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/FH_images/FH_trans-pics/trans-shiftr-housing-81Abottom-D.jpg
     
  3. jailhousebob
    Joined: Jun 18, 2009
    Posts: 895

    jailhousebob
    Member
    from Illinois

    If you haven't already done so,pull the shifter out of the tower.This is an area that is prone to rust and hard old grease and often damage.Once that is disassembled you can tell if the fork has movement.Bob
     
  4. FlatJan
    Joined: Dec 13, 2013
    Posts: 323

    FlatJan

    thanks for your support.
    I will check your ideas next time I'm in the workshop.. :)
     
  5. Bruce Lancaster
    Joined: Oct 9, 2001
    Posts: 21,681

    Bruce Lancaster
    Member Emeritus

    As jailhouse said, pull out the stick...then look for a badly worn ball at the very bottom.
    IMPORTANT...there is a small pin, a short piece of about 1/4" steel rod, that goes in a notch in the tower casting and from there into a notch on the pivot/fulcrum ball on the stick. If you are not prepared for this, it will drop out and disappear into your transmission as you lift out the stick and you may have to take the transmission apart to recover it!!!
    Also examine the pin that goes through the tower down low (its head is visible on the outside of casting) and the part of the stick that hooks over it.
     
  6. Andy
    Joined: Nov 17, 2002
    Posts: 5,384

    Andy
    Member

    I would pull the top off the trans. You can see and move the gears more easily.You can gently try to move the 1st reverse slider so it is in neutral. Do not force it! Leave it alone if does not move easily. Try to move the synchro sleeve to neutral. It would be good to have someone push the clutch in to remove any gear load. Hopefully it will move easily so the teeth are equally visable on the ends. Re-install the shifter and all should be fine. An 81A shift tower does not hang up like the earlier ones.
     
  7. FlatJan
    Joined: Dec 13, 2013
    Posts: 323

    FlatJan

    thanks for all your quick replies.
    yesterday I got it working again :) shifts all gears now
    maybe wd40 helped it's part but mainly I think it's Mac VP who was right. I had taken off the top and moved one fork by hand.
    Then one Fork locked the other, quite logical when I think about it now.. I wanted to buy the tranny book anyway so I think this is a good opportunity to do so.

    @bruce: I saw the location of the pin you mentioned but it was already missing. I'll replace it. Good hint!
     

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