Register now to get rid of these ads!

Technical Should head bolts be replaced?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Greasyman, Jan 19, 2021.

  1. Greasyman
    Joined: Oct 23, 2010
    Posts: 172

    Greasyman
    Member

    I think my 283 has a blown head gasket. Should I replace the old bolts or are they reusable? I'm thinking that if I can find some right away I will since they aren't expensive, but I was just wondering if it was standard operating procedure with those who are experienced with tearing down engines.
     
  2. Boneyard51
    Joined: Dec 10, 2017
    Posts: 6,749

    Boneyard51
    Member

    New head bolts are cheap! But I have reused many, many head bolts with no problems on mild builds!






    Bones
     
  3. J. A. Miller
    Joined: Dec 30, 2010
    Posts: 2,290

    J. A. Miller
    ALLIANCE MEMBER
    from Central NY

    If the history of an engine as old as a 283 is unknown, I think it makes good sense to replace them.
     
  4. KJSR
    Joined: Mar 7, 2008
    Posts: 2,497

    KJSR
    Member
    from Utah
    1. Utah HAMBers

    I would use an original before I would use a replacement unless going to ARP's
     
    loudbang, Chavezk21, Jrs50 and 8 others like this.
  5. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
    Posts: 59,168

    squirrel
    Member

    If the threads are not rusted away, I'd reuse them.

    Some modern engines have torque-to-yield head bolts, and they need to be replaced when you remove them. But old engines like the 283, you can re use them. Been doing it for decades.
     
    loudbang, alanp561, j-jock and 10 others like this.
  6. nunattax
    Joined: Jan 10, 2011
    Posts: 3,327

    nunattax
    Member

  7. jimmy six
    Joined: Mar 21, 2006
    Posts: 16,653

    jimmy six
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Whatever you choose to do use a thread chaser on the block, not a tap. And I like to add harden washers under head bolts. Those will be ARP. Remember in those engines the bolts do go into the water jackets.

    In the past Pioneer was a good replacement brand but I do not know any more. I continue to use their Pontiac flex plate grade 8’s on GMC flywheels because of the shoulder.
     
    loudbang, stillrunners and nunattax like this.
  8. 2OLD2FAST
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
    Posts: 5,976

    2OLD2FAST
    Member
    from illinois

    A stronomicaly R idiculous P rices.
     
  9. nunattax
    Joined: Jan 10, 2011
    Posts: 3,327

    nunattax
    Member

    loudbang, Jrs50 and egads like this.
  10. If it’s a clean bolt with no rust I say use it.

    An old oem bolt will be of better quality then an A/M bolt of unknown origin.

    like @squirrel said if it was a torque to yield bolt , or rusty/crusty then replace it. Other wise how often do you replace bell housing or wheel lug or ball joint etc hardware ? When it’s showing signs of age or wear.
     
  11. Everything in this country uses nuts and bolts and threads to stay in operation. Guess how many domestic bolt manufactures there are
     
    loudbang, Jrs50, guitarguy and 3 others like this.
  12. Rusty O'Toole
    Joined: Sep 17, 2006
    Posts: 9,756

    Rusty O'Toole
    Member

    Old cars had head bolts meant to last the life of the car. If the engine is really old and has been apart several times it may be a good idea to replace them. There is such a thing as metal fatigue.
    Torque to yield bolts came in with aluminum heads in the eighties. They were deliberately made weak to not over stress the soft aluminum, and are only good for one use.
    In your case I would use the old bolts unless they show signs of wear, corrosion or stretching.
     
    loudbang and VANDENPLAS like this.
  13. some can be reused once or twice , the manufacturer will have a spec on stretch that you can measure.
    On torque to yield I replace them as a rule regardless of cost.
    BMW had an issue with head gaskets that turned really bad as they reused torque to yield bolts with disastrous results.

    anyways, back to your regularly schedule
    Program
     
    loudbang, Deuces and egads like this.
  14. If it is out of a vette than use studs for the ultra high compression (it will be painted orange) but if out of a truck re-use the originals.:D
     
    loudbang, Deuces, joel and 1 other person like this.
  15. 2OLD2FAST
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
    Posts: 5,976

    2OLD2FAST
    Member
    from illinois

    No point in going political .
     
  16. spanners
    Joined: Feb 24, 2009
    Posts: 2,197

    spanners
    Member

    Clean up the threads on a wire wheel and reuse. I use Stag sealant on the ones going into water jackets.
     
    loudbang and Tickety Boo like this.
  17. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,387

    Deuces

    Only on a race motor....
     
    loudbang likes this.
  18. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,387

    Deuces

    I watch CNN for that....
     
  19. RmK57
    Joined: Dec 31, 2008
    Posts: 3,040

    RmK57
    Member

    How does a head bolt get rusty in the first place?
     
    loudbang likes this.
  20. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,387

    Deuces

    I changed a set of gaskets on a '90s t-bird that had a v-6... I did re-use the torque to yield head bolts on it.. the car ran for 3 years with out any problems... I got lucky I guess....:rolleyes:
     
    loudbang likes this.
  21. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,387

    Deuces

    You don't live in Detroit...;)
     
    loudbang likes this.
  22. partsdawg
    Joined: Feb 12, 2006
    Posts: 3,840

    partsdawg
    ALLIANCE MEMBER
    from Minnesota

    Re-use. Unless you want to spend the money for 327/325hp head bolts so it will handle higher horsepower.
    I'll sell you a set:D;)
     
    loudbang likes this.
  23. People forget that back in the day,,,,,,American quality was the best in the world !
    Go back to the Flathead and Ford bolts,,,,,as long as not rusted bad,,,,still as good as new .
    And General Motors,,,,,top quality back then as well .
    Also,,,,let’s not forget Mopar,,,,,high nickel blocks,,,,strong forged crankshafts,,,,,heads that could get overheated and still not be cracked .
    Back then,,,,,it was expected,,,,,and the public demanded it too .
    I kind of think it was left over from the war effort,,,,,,everybody pulled together and tried their best .

    anyway,,,,,if the old 283 bolts clean up good,,,,,use them,,,,probably still be around after we are gone !

    Tommy
     
  24. If an engine has got really hot, it will take the temper out of bolts. In regards to torque to yield, Ford oem bolts can be reused 3 times before discarding. That info came direct from Ford. The other brands I have no idea. Most of us wire brushed bolts and reused them for decades. As long as the surfaces were in spec, there weren't problems.
     
    loudbang, Deuces and VANDENPLAS like this.
  25. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
    Posts: 59,168

    squirrel
    Member

    The Chevy V8s have the head bolt holes going into the water jacket, on the block. The bolts get rusty from not using anti freeze or rust inhibitor in the cooling system. Pretty common on old engines.
     
    loudbang, alanp561, Deuces and 2 others like this.
  26. southcross2631
    Joined: Jan 20, 2013
    Posts: 4,412

    southcross2631
    Member

    Chevy head bolts work good to hold my Ford blocks on my engine stand. Good and strong and easy to find used ones with all the chevy guys replacing them with ARP bolts.
    I have reused many OEM head bolts.
     
  27. ekimneirbo
    Joined: Apr 29, 2017
    Posts: 5,139

    ekimneirbo
    Member
    from Brooks Ky

    You only need 1 of those bolts to strip a thread and then you will be doing a lot more work. Rust and tension have worked on them for 50 years. Spend a few bucks and do it right!:D
     
    nunattax likes this.
  28. 2OLD2FAST
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
    Posts: 5,976

    2OLD2FAST
    Member
    from illinois

    Spoken like a true salesman LOL
    When is the last time you experienced , or talked with someone who experienced , a failure , on a street motor , using stock parts , that was attributed to reusing head bolts ?
     
    loudbang, jaw22w and Desoto291Hemi like this.
  29. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
    Posts: 59,168

    squirrel
    Member

    It's the threads in the block I have more trouble with...
     
  30. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,387

    Deuces

    IMG_20210120_084908.jpg I chase those threads with a good quality 3 flute spiral OSG tap....;)
    Here's a 1/2-13 we use in the cncs and bottom tapping.... They damn near last forever...
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2021

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.