Sorry........but, I don't get it. Maybe I'm too old.......Drove my first 'motorcycle', a Whizzer, at 12 and never looked back......
see this is what we are saying. You guys who "dont get it" are the same types who didnt get it back then. Maybe it was different elsewhere then where I grew up (Ca,AZ,TX) but what **** described was excatly how it was and is today. You guys have the same at***ude as the Jocks did back then skaters were just punks. I acepted that I was a punk, but I didnt go thrashing peoples cars. though I was not an angel then nor am I now. I still have an anti-establishment at***ude so to speak, though I am much older and a dad, I still have the same outlook on life as I did then. ( so if you disagree with me then **** off ) that was my at***ude and I am sticking with it. Skating was a fix much like hot rods/customs are to me now. We lived and breathed them, we woke up and popped a skate vid, or built up a new deck or took a **** and read a skate mag. Now its both for me I visit the "office" with a Hot Rod mag of sorts, I am always thinking of cars, whatever it might be always it never leaves my mind, right now during work I am thinking cars and how I wish I could do something else, much like skating back then. I couldnt study during school, I was too busy either drawing something skate/punk related or sneaking a peek of a skate mag during cl***. Thats if I was at school. Yes, I was not an angel at all, but its that lifestyle that got us here. Its the punk rock at***ude and I for one see the connection. However I see it more with Motorcyles along the styles I like (ala Sinners style) The rebellion style the cheating death when you get on a sickle style. Those who dont get it will never get it. You old timers will never get it because it wasnt your generation. You may get the car/sickle thing but the connection between the skating you couldnt understand unless you were there, during the 80's skate scene. All this from a old school Vans wearing, ****ies clad, punk shirt wearing skater who never left those days only got lucky enough to meet a cool wife and build hot rods. I will stick to this thru and thru there is a connection. I see it maybe just differently then others but i see it, because I live it.. Oh and for the guy who said " I freestyled and listend to metal", yeah I bet you did, and I see why you didnt get along with skaters..
Cab, what you say is fine but I saw this first hand in the 80's, and it is not just a recent thing. Bigger now maybe, but not new. I still remember a certain guy who was the big shot skater in our school going through the parking lot on his board bending car antennas over as he went between them. Telling me because I don't skate makes me somehow lesser than you and telling me not to bother trying to understand is a cop out. If you want to play that game what cars were you into when you were 15...if you did not have a real hot rod back then how can you say you understand "hot rods?" (That sounds pretty lame now don't it...and I am just making a point not trying to say you are some lesser form of hot rodder). Face the facts, the number one reason skaters got laws tossed at thew was because they did tear up stuff and caused problems, pure and simple. I hate bike riders that ride a 12 speed in heavy traffic on a major road and wish they would outlaw that but it will never happen because those guys are not really caussing major problems nor are they destroying property. Face it, your hobby always was and always will be hung with an anti social vandal thing thanks to a certain amount of the people who did it. I tried my hand at it, did not care for it. When I was riding BMX I remember the freestyle thing starting to hit and I thought it was sorta cool but I did not get into it. So I have plenty of ability to "get it." I seem to remember the dogtown guys in that recent docu talking about going into peoples backyards and riding in pools, and gee that was real respectfull of property and the law. Sorry dude, I don't care how much these guys worship you and I don't have and issue with you, I just do not see it your way in any way shape or form. The connection to hot rods is not a strong one. I don't think skating is a crime and sure, I like to watch it...but alot of the guys were jerks and today it is really bad. I see it every day. We have that Xgame indoor skate park at the mall near me, and only a few of those kids are there to skate, the rest are trying to score drugs and chicks and tear **** up at the mall all the time. Like I said, I imagine you are one of those guys that is all into the spirtual thing on skating and such...and no disrespect intended, but like I said I do not see any connection to hot rods from skating or punk rock. If the punk rock connection is what some of these guys are going on then Mike Ness is indeed god because he was the first non Rockabilly guy that made hot rods cool...and trendy. Hell, I remember a rant by Henry Rollins in the Black Flag days against hillbillys and their hot rods. Most punks I was around hated the gov, hated cars, and wanted to live in a teepee or some stupid **** and screamed "anarchy," the dumbest political theory man has ever come up with. Hope you don't take this the wrong way Cab, I just disagree with you.
roller skates...skateboards...bicycles...go karts...minibikes...first car...it's just about "wheels"....and going fast.....For me, kid powered "wheeled" devices got left behind when I "grew up"...got my license and started smokin the tires on the street. cars...cars...cars...cars..and more cars.
They're linked unless you try to force the issue by creating a bunch of posts insisting that they are linked and trying despirately to outline why... Then it just wastes space that could be used for car building tech.
Yup, I'm a hopelessly lame guy who will never "get it", I guess. Bicycles, skate boards and I guess Inline skates are all wheeled conviences, I guess. But when you get a car that becomes your wheels. I also think that one plays Punk only until one becomes proficient at their instrument of choice. Then they play honky tonk, rock, country, bluegr*** or something that requires talent and the ability to listen. I could be wrong but I see a trend toward cars with finished paint and nice details with good welding and clever engineering. I also see a trend of cars that look like an artful unloading of the **** that didn't sell at the swapmeet. There are some guys here that are building some real nice stuff. Old Beet's Merc comes to mind. That guy in Texas with the beautiful Black Merc with the '55 Pontiac side trim. Alex from the Shifters' shiny blue 5 window. Yorgatrons '54 Rocket. Rocket 88's fastback. Nice traditional cars every one. The fad of the rust bucket, oil leaker, poorly welded POS will be a short one, it's demise brought on by the cops who see them as a cash cow. The true old gearheads will survive the fad part, just like we have before. And I don't think taking up skating will help us old lames to "Get it".
<font color="green">Well, This is another fine mess you've gotten us into ****. First of all, Check my hobbies in my profile... That about says it, I am ATE up with anything with wheels, wheels with peddles, wheels with motors, etc.,etc. The TRIKE-O-DOOM struck my fancy so hard because it is half bike and half go-cart. AND completely fun. Anyways, You can't blame an entire sport for some **** you saw one guy or group of guys do, whenever it was. It doesn't work like that. I saw a jerk back into a car yesterday and cream the thing he hit and just took off. Now I hate cars, I just don't get 'em. Now, it's important to note that I have not entirely read this post and direct nothing at anyone in particular. Just have happy fingers, lucky you. I built a board in 84. My mom took a ****, forbid me to ride it because we didn't have insurance and I was already tearing myself up regularly on the Ripper. I rode it anyway. Never REALLY got hurt, and if I did I just blamed it on the bike. I just bought a board at a garage sale, nothing special, it was only a dollar. My wife asked me what the hell I wanted that thing for? I told her, "It has wheels, I'll use it for a dolly in the shop." LIAR! I'm riding that ****er and I **** as bad as I ever did. I have really good insurance now though!!! And I still ride bikes so I'll blame it on them. </font>
Strange. Those who 'do not get', and have expressed so. And again. And again. Excessive Drinking of Booze, Excessive Food Intake and 'Kiljoy's' are thing's I will not do, nor 'get'.
Merc50, you seem to have alot of hate and bad tension stored up inside which comes across bitter and negative because of some dumb kids causing trouble, that happened to ride skateboards in the 80's. It's okay to disagree with me, i'm not bummed. I'm not expecting you to understand what all these guys are saying about skateboarding, punkrock, BMX...ect. the fact is... it brought them all together here on the Hamb and that's what counts I don't think of you "lesser of a person" because you don't skate... just more ignorant towards skateboarding and our lifestyle. Just like I'm ignorant towards Hotrods, Kustoms, G***ers, Motors.... ect. until i learn to understand them, where they came from and how to build one... I don't know **** about it, but hey... i'm learning and i found the Hamb If you think of yourself lesser of a person, then that's your own insecurity, but i never claimed to be anything more, just letting you know that skateboarding is an art and there are tons of different artists out there, some are good and some are bad, but that's all a matter of opinion! you tell me to face the facts... what facts? skateboarding has been looked down upon for many years because people don't understand it, it's an art and it has only started to become socially excepted in the last 10 years only because there's money to be made at it. Big corporations now see what attracts kids and see dollar signs, that's why it's on TV and more and more public sk8 parks are being built nowadays. Kids went to find places to do their art because there was no place for them to release that energy and creative freedom that the skateboarding feeling gives you. When you outlaw something, then that's when will be outlaws...rebels! when you drive "your" hotrod/car or whatever on the street...i'm sure it's destroying something in the enviornment, does that matter to you? Things are not meant to last... that's just human nature, that's just life. I'm glad that i'm considered the anti-social because that's what makes me different and i'm okay with that. But don't hate me or others because we're different Kids are going to be kids getting in trouble here and there, we live in a society that breeds on learning through experience and our own mistakes. some people just go over board, get addicted to things and just make stupid choices in life... but to say that all skateboarders are drug addicts,only looking to get laid and break public property for pure enjoyment is a sure sign of an ignorant at***ude towards our sport and lifestyle. So yes... you'll "never" get it... with that kind of mentality! even if you stepped on a skateboard or rode a bike for a few times, then gave up It all stems down to is the fact that there's a reason why we are all ended up here on this forum/message board and some of us ( NOT ALLl) just happened to have skateboarding, BMX and Punk Rock listening backgrounds... If that's not you... then move along to the next post, but if you feel the need to disagree and vent... then bring it on CAB
[ QUOTE ] Bicycles, skate boards and I guess Inline skates are all wheeled conviences, I guess. But when you get a car that becomes your wheels. [/ QUOTE ] Phil, I couldn't disagree more. When I got my license and my first truck, I would toss my BMX bike in the back and head down to Home Avenue, Mission Trails, Anza Ditch and all of the other places around San Diego where I dreamed about riding. Sure I spent time working on my stuff as well (mostly due to the fact that my dad is an old hot rod guy and he helped a lot). And a lot of my friends did the exact same thing.
**** R./ aka Sammy, I've met you and I think we are probably about the same age. And to tell the truth I can identify with most of what you say, but I've never been a skater and probably never will be. It's not a simple black and white issue. Skateboarding may be linked to hot rodding, but you can't make the case that every guy or even the majority that skates should be or is going to be interested in hot rods OR VICE VERSA. I grew up pretty much in the middle of nowhere...on a gravel road. The closest pavement was a couple of miles away....and skating was not big in my school, although there was plenty of pavement around there. Maybe because we were a bit sheltered from the "big city" life, but whatever. So because I'm not a skater, does that make me somehow a lesser car guy? I started looking at hot rod magazines before I could even read. I was at swap meets before I could even walk. I was drawing cars right after I learned to hold a pencil. I skipped skateboards and went right to motorcycles at 11 yrs old. Think falling off your board was dangerous? Try falling off a motorcycle on a gravel road a few times. I understand the connection you're trying to make, I just want to let you know that not everyone is going to see it your way...no matter how hard you try. And guys that are now into hot rods, customs, or bikes, didn't necessarily make the progression from skateboarding...Even if we grew up in the same time frame. I get the "zen-like" thing that some of you serious skaters might feel when skating. It's just that I get it from my cars and motorcyles...not from a skateboard. A couple of my best friends now, were skaters...and they'd rather talk about cars than skating. So can we go back to cars now? OK, you can talk about skating if I can still talk about motorcycles. [ QUOTE ] and when your tired of your red wheels and white walls trend you decide was cool,we'll still be doing it our way,,DIY [/ QUOTE ] ...and so will I...and I'll probably keep my red wheels and whitewalls if that's ok. -Brian
Hot Rod = Rebellion against main stream vehicles (there's ***hole hot rodders) Skating = Rebellion against main stream sports (there's ***hole skaters) Punk Rock = Well, used to equal rebellion against main stream music (uh, Sid and Nancy) I like things simple.
[ QUOTE ] Cab, you've got a good head on your shoulders dude. Just wanted to say thanks for that. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks B***, It's just tilted to the side a little from birth CAB
[ QUOTE ] Cab, you've got a good head on your shoulders dude. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="green">Well, except for this... </font> [ QUOTE ] Rashy, I love your sense of humor CAB [/ QUOTE ]
Gee Cab, I was just trying to make a point that it was a stretch of an argument and then you call me bitter and want to make it personal or something? You have a brain, anyone with a brain will see the negative aspects of your sport (or any sport) that have been around since the start...skaters and punks both spawned scenes that had very negative aspects. Sorry you can not deal with that reality, but most people involed in your sport will admit to the whole trashing stuff thing. I deal with kids everyday, I see it first hand and I also grew up around it. I see so called skater culture everyday and it is a bunch of gargage in general. They are way to fashion oriented and don't want to follow rules and scream I am an individual (just like the rest of them)...and then they can't understand why they get in trouble. Yes, they are young and stupid and most will grow out of it but the skater mystique is as bad as the gangster wanna be stuff and the skinheads I have to deal with. We just had the bathrooms v****ized at the school, "Skate or Die" and various board and truck makers names and band names were all over it. Real positive stuff I see. Whatever Cab. So no, I don't see the connection, it is a weak argument, and since I am so bitter let me add I think you know how I feel about you at this point...Mr. Skateboard God. (how is that for a venting St. Cab of the ****** knee caps ,)
<font color="red"> Skaters and punks both spawned scenes that had very negative aspects. Sorry you can not deal with that reality, but most people involed in your sport will admit to the whole trashing stuff thing. </font> M*** generalization. And no, most people won't admit to trashing stuff. I won't and the guys I ride with won't. The people in the skate scene I've known for 15 years won't either. This is not a small group, nor is it a local group. It's on both coasts. <font color="red"> ...Graffitti...vandalization...skaters </font> M*** generalization again. You had a bad experience w/ some kids at your school. Think about the kids out there who DON'T vandalize things and love to skate. Many younger rodders skated or still skate. We're the future and this board is evidence that there is a connection between skaters and rod & kustom fans/builders. It can't be denied. BTW, although I like Cab. and respect what he has done for the sport, I'm not taking this stand because I'm a hanger on or nut *******. These are my thoughts and mine only.
OK my stand on this post is still that it's like beating a dead horse into "Whipped Roan" but I gotta call bull-**** on the whole "touchy-feely" skater thing. THAT was a product of the sponsership/skate event thing. Anybody who read Thrasher in the 80's knows that. Skaters did destroy things, break windows, **** up peoples pools etc. "Skate or Die" was real. Where do you street skate if not on other people's property? The sponsers made people like Gonzo, Hasoi, etc tone it down a little so product (not that kind Christian! ) would sell. So if you're into skating, fine. Just for god's sake don't try to *******ize it into something palletable for everyone. It is what it is, and you either like it or you don't. I personally don't see that much difference between doing bun-outs, shooting flame-throwers, or driving 100 plus in a 40, 50, 60, 70, year old car on a freeway, and skating with agression. Also if you're into skating and hot rods, great. But don't try to force the two together to satisfy some need for universal acceptance. Ryan has said Skating and the HAMB go together, so what's the debate? Accept it or leave. That'd be up to you...
It wasn't Thrasher for me, more like Skateboarder Mag until it turned into Action NO. I was out when Thrasher came in. No doubt skating is why alot of us ended up right here to talk about this. ****Reynolds, good topic. I'm not pretty or a smooth talker or athletic and I pretty much ghosted my way through school, so I guess that is why I got into skating. It was something I could do and enjoy by myself. Skating involves speed and style and has 4 wheels and is shunned(or at least was-thanks Xgames-oooo, Extreme) by the "normal" people. How can skating not be directly tied to Hot Rods. When I go to my wife's office parties I am slapped in the face again by the fact that I do not fit. The civilians talk cigars, golf scores, the prime rate, football ........ fascinating! Hell, I don't "fit" with most of the car crowd either. Camaros and lifted 4Xs never have interested me. Neither has corporate owned modern racing (how can something that does a 4 second quarter be boring? well, it is). The most important thing to me is to enjoy my friends and family and creating.... thank you.
[ QUOTE ] Gee Cab, I was just trying to make a point that it was a stretch of an argument and then you call me bitter and want to make it personal or something? You have a brain, anyone with a brain will see the negative aspects of your sport (or any sport) that have been around since the start...skaters and punks both spawned scenes that had very negative aspects. Sorry you can not deal with that reality, but most people involed in your sport will admit to the whole trashing stuff thing. I deal with kids everyday, I see it first hand and I also grew up around it. I see so called skater culture everyday and it is a bunch of gargage in general. They are way to fashion oriented and don't want to follow rules and scream I am an individual (just like the rest of them)...and then they can't understand why they get in trouble. Yes, they are young and stupid and most will grow out of it but the skater mystique is as bad as the gangster wanna be stuff and the skinheads I have to deal with. We just had the bathrooms v****ized at the school, "Skate or Die" and various board and truck makers names and band names were all over it. Real positive stuff I see. Whatever Cab. So no, I don't see the connection, it is a weak argument, and since I am so bitter let me add I think you know how I feel about you at this point...Mr. Skateboard God. (how is that for a venting St. Cab of the ****** knee caps ,) [/ QUOTE ] And your a teacher? I would be bummed if i was in your cl*** yelling at me for this and that and being so judgemental by the way i look and what special interested i was into that didn't fit you mold as a model citizen... i feel for your students and children if you have any plus who's argueing? ...i thought this was a discussion? Sorry and please don't take what i say so personal, about how i think your at***ude ****s...it's just an opinion i formed by words and thoughts expressed... nothing more As for rules...some were made to be broken! CAB
And another thing! haha I think alot of what brings us here states, for the most part, that we are free thinkers. We do not stand in lines (except at the grocery store) or hop on band wagons. Weak wills are pathetic. B***, I don't think anyone is stating you are less of a hot rod soul if you don't skate, ****R was just noting the natural connection. You are rod n custom to the core. If there is anyone out there who disagrees with that statement, I'd be surprised!
Hehe, I skimmed over all this, but the original post mentioned the same old weary thing everyone does paraphrased: "if you did it when I did it, you were cool. If you started after the point I did, you were not cool, but a follower." He also mentioned buying and reading magazines.. Sounds to me like the cl***ic case of the 'conforming nonconformist' Every nutty thing I've ever done, has not had a local following.. I grew up rural, so it was kinda hard to skateboard down a gravel road, but us dirty kids did it. Me and one other kid rode our skateboards all over the countryside.. We never did any tricks other than "who can do down that big hill without dying" But in college I started doing aggressive inline skating (I'm like at least 10 years younger than most of you) I was the only one of my peer group that did it.. mostly because I thought it was fun, and I didn't drink, so I needed something to burn up my time. I never bought magazines or watched the X games.. because I knew I ****ed too much to ever be any good. I gave up on that once it became a liability (got a job, and can't get hurt all the time now)... But I do agree 100% with the HAMBER as a group of DIYers, regardless of skateboarding prowess. I mean many of us grew up doing weird **** that wasn't the normal thing to do. I mostly messed around with ****ty motorcycles in my youth, and that was my rowdy outlet.. Mufflerless 2 stroke bikes going through peoples yards, chased by the cops, etc.. In college I rode scooters and street bikes (old ****py ones) I guess I've always been a tight***, so I've been into 'having the most fun I can on the cheap' Thus owning a sub 2000 dollar 'cl***ic' car now. I love taking something ****ty and making due with it, or making it better and more fun than something I took out a loan on. And I think that mentality it just kind of instilled in a lot of the members here. I see a lot of skating mentioned on the board, and I don't mind it, and it did actually throw me for a loop at first, but it makes sense I guess. Growing up in the sticks though, you didn't have cliques and gangs or any of that stuff.. Every person in town was an individual, and weird for their own reason
I "borrowed" a P-P Cab (flourescent orange w/ Tracker mids w/ copers and worn-to-the-bearings Bones) in high school, but had to give it back the next day when the kid's mom saw me riding it (I was actually holding it...she was driving on the freeway!) at the Wedge next to the Tyler Mall. What's that got to do with hot rodding? I don't know...I've never "borrowed" a hot rod, but Jason Jessee is my illegitimate brother and he has a Model A coupe! Steve, welcome to the world famous hot rod soap opera!
[ QUOTE ] <font color="red"> M*** generalization. And no, most people won't admit to trashing stuff. I won't and the guys I ride with won't. The people in the skate scene I've known for 15 years won't either. This is not a small group, nor is it a local group. It's on both coasts. </font> Oh yeah, Im just making it up. The laws against skaters were just created by the "man" to keep you down. Whatever man...you have blinders on. Last year over twenety thousand dollars of damage were done by skaters to the varous schools in my area from "grinding." A major shopping center with a health club was damaged by skaters...cost, another 20 grand. You are going to tell me in the 15 years that you have skated that you never once did damage to public or private property enjoying your sport? Nonsense. That would be like me saying I never raced on the streets. You guys crack me up and will not admit to the negative aspects and cry "art." I really don't have that much of an axe to grind on this. And I do realize a bunch of kids are doing this and do treat it as a sport and some may be stars at it someday, but not being able to admit the negative aspecst and the HUGE problems created by skaters in general...please. Just like the problems we have with wanna be gangsters, skinheads, gangs, and so on, we have problems with skaters. Kids, and I mean alot of kids, thinking graffiti and grinding are way cool. <font color="red">M*** generalization again. You had a bad experience w/ some kids at your school. Think about the kids out there who DON'T vandalize things and love to skate. Many younger rodders skated or still skate. We're the future and this board is evidence that there is a connection between skaters and rod & kustom fans/builders. It can't be denied. </font> I saw this when I was in school, I see this all the time as a teacher. IT IS A PROBLEM. If it was not why do the police deal with them all the time. Why the laws against using boards in parks and such? If they are not a problem why do we in the schools have to have no skateboards on campus rules...why, because they trash stuff all the freaking time. You guys are sounding like the street racers now...and it is lame. You guys keep acting like I got a crusade against skaters and that is not the case. I mentioned this discussion to my campus RSO, he got a good laugh out of the comments that society misunderstood the poor skaters and created laws...kinda funny if you ask me. You guys want to paint me as the jerk and then you claim you are the "future" of this board and hot rodding...funny stuff. Hey, pogs are round and many kids played with pogs. They are the future of hot rods because tires are round also. Get over it. Many skaters are into it for the right reasons...a TON are not. You are not the fuure of hot rodding...the mullet wearing kids working on Z28's, TA's, and stangs you had "issues" with in the 80's are the more legit source of the future. Not guys who came into it from skating. Im glad you guys have the hot rod bug, more power to you. Hot rodding and kustoms need new blood. But give the spiritual connection to hot rods from the skateboard a rest. And to think, I kinda thought skateboarding was kind of amazing to watch as a sport...hmmm. And really, I am not taking any of this personal...I am sure both you and Cab (who I suddenly love to bait on this ) are fine and will build cars and enjoy it. More power to you. That being said, you are not going to change my opinion and if you think yours matters more because "you get it" then all I can say is "so what." I have and continue to see this ****, you can not justify it and it is a problem. Come hang with me for a day on campus and see it for yourself if ya want.
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