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Technical Slant /4 from a V8

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jalopnik. dr, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. The37Kid
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    Really? The ones I've seen are two seperate water cooled blocks with their own overhead camshaft. Some guys ran the stock crankcase with a block off plate over the removed block area. Brisco and Ambler Brothers cast and machined their own crankcases. Bob

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  2. 33sporttruck
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  3. I'm pretty sure the Hispano Suiza V8s had flat plane cranks
     
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  4. Yes you are right big ol muti holed water cool jugs like a snomobile sorry lol
    Eny one have one of these V8's that thay would like to donate to a diy-er like my self you could keep half the pistons a heads and one of the multi holed jugs
    Just post it to Canada, make sure you tell the lady at the post office its for Jalopnik dr. Lol
     
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  5. Awesome the thin walles should be easier to cut if i go the ford rout although your way sound much more fun.
    So what did it feel like when you split her from bum crack to bellybutton?
     
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  6. All I'm finding is bob weights for machining crankshafts or bolting on model T crank shafts
    Would modified piston rods work?
    Im leaning towards a dodge LA engine for this i get good ones for free more often the chev or ford.
    pontiac tempest are getting real rare up hear ih engines are around but thare is lots of drawbacks to them like the valve train and bell housing bolt pattern
    Plus the dodge oil filter in on the side i want to cut off.
    i think remote oil filter would be the best?
    I know the chev oil filter is on the same side but looks harder to shave
    What do you think?
     
  7. RidgeRunner
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    What brand is your power hacksaw?

    I have an old Millers Falls buried in storage which looks very similar.

    Another "someday" project - get my vintage tooling together and start posting over on the Garage Journal.
     
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  8. RichFox
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    The engine that i am thinking of, the builder made his bob weight from brass to clamp on to his (SBC) crank and make up for the weight missing from that rod being gone. The engine ran pretty rough at idle. Jack said it smoothed out at speed. Nothing wrong with a remote oil filter. I use them regularly. Here is a picture of a Dodge LA aluminum head on a 1926 Dodge Bros engine. I used fuel injection from Hilborn for a V8. If you want to use the other half it is for sale cheap
     

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  9. Im not even sure couldn't find any makings sounds like you know more about it then me
    Just something i drug home when a local guy died
    When I brought it home I plugged it in and it worked pm me if you want mor pics I cant see it ever stop working ether then the coolant pump (witch did on mine ) not a big deal just use oil lol and a squirt can lol.
    god i wish i had of got there sooner this guy had more potential hot rod building material then most people could ever use the idiot don showed up "the genius car restorer" and I thought age equalled wisdom but in his case it equalled senility gerrrrrr.
     
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  10. Bearing Burner
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    Midget racers have already done Chev V8 head on Merc. cruiser.
     
  11. seb fontana
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    Why put a chev head on a Mercruser block? 385 series Ford heads [429/460] bolt on so any trickc aftermarket head will too..
     
  12. This engine is a straight up inline 4 not a slant 4 from what i have seen
    Plus I'm about 600mile from ware these are commonly found
    But will the crank fit in a chev or ford v8.
    So if you can fit ford and chev heads on the merc you should be able to swop 385 series heads onto a chev 350 yes or no
     
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  13. That is a beautiful engine
    I am thinking of fuel injection but i was also thinking about forced induction via a cheap m90 supercharger?
    Have had any experiences (good or bad) with aluminium filled water Jackets in a cast iron engine block?
    I used to work in a foundry back in high school so i have a bit of experience smelting and casting but mostly dye cast parts
    Also im going to give jegs a call tomorrow to inquire about the mopar a4 crankshaft hopefully the corporate guys kept enuff LA dna in there for the cranks to swop then I will star looking for good cheep used crank
     
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  14. RichFox
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    I think these guys are talking about two different Merc blocks. One based on the Chevy 2/Iron Duke block and a different engine made by Mercury Marine that uses Ford 385 piston, rods and head. The bore spacing is quite different between a SBC and a 385 Ford. No interchange.
     
  15. RichFox
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    I have poured aluminum in several heat riser ports to block them off. Never a whole block. I know the flathead guys do that a lot. I understand the block is first heated and then poured and wraped in blankets to slow the cooling. Lot of aluminum to fill a water jacket. I have used Hard Block. A concrete block filler. Worked good. Made for a pretty heavy engine.
     
  16. I kinda figured i needed to preheat hehehe i guy i worked with aluminized the brim of his hat the right lens of his safety glasses and a spot on the 16ft ceiling sounded like a gun shot
    Neat stuff molten aluminum we use to ware short sleeve shirts because a bead aluminum landed on your sweaty arm it would bounce off but if it burt through your clothes it got trapped and Bernt like hell
    Anyways back on topic I was thinking if I filled the water jacket on the side I want to cut off
    So i ca turn the space between the two cylinders in to*****resses to help support the cranck journals and add rigidity back to the block i might fill part of the lifter galley as well to make it easier to mount my galley pan
    I have lots of free aluminum
    I don't think i could use hard block for this application
     
  17. Has eny one had problems with aluminum fill in there heat risers shifting or causing there head to crack?
     
  18. RichFox
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    None that I know of. I made a few runs down to the 5 mile with out anything happening
     
  19. Rich,
    Is Joe the one casting have a small block Chevy block for midgets and sportsman sprints? Back in the '90s around here half a small block Chevy was popular in the Sportsman class sprints. Reverse rotation to keep the outside wheels planted. The high dollar guys were buying a pre cast block and the low dollar guys we just cutting a small block chevy in half.
     
  20. RichFox
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    I don't know that Joe is casting half Chevy's. I know he makes four cylinder chevy blocks to take a SBC head and what not. I don't think he ever made a V4 SBC like***** did. Nice little 4.1 quake just a little ago. Got the cats attention.
     
  21. LOL 4.1 is just a tremor as I recall. I remember a 4+ hitting SF when I was still in Daniel Webster School. We dove under the desks and covered our heads like we were supposed to, we were on the third floor so we didn't need as strong a deck as those on the first floor :eek: :D . Me and Freddy Bryant collided. When it was over Mrs. Johnston said, "is everyone OK?" Freddy said, "I hurt my head" and Mrs. Johnston said, "Did you hit the desk?" and he said "No Ben's head hit me." Good times. :D

    The roundy round place across town here had already cast slant 4 blocks and cranks and cam shafts for SBC heads back in the '90s when it was a popular mill. Pricey but they were purpose built.

    @Carl La Fong I think you are right about the hispano crank. Some place around here I have an article about one. I think it was in an old TRJ but maybe it was in a Hot rod.
     
  22. RichFox
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    Was that in '57? I remember a good sized quake in '57. I was sitting at my desk, looking out the door at the playing field. It looked like the swells on the ocean. Ripped some of the stairwells off the concrete block walls at UAL. They left them like that but with more steel girders.
     
  23. Nope I was still in Pacifica in '57 and remember a quake like that. Shook me out of bed if its the same one that you remember.

    The one I am thinking about would have been in about '64 or 5, shook the green board (we didn't have black boards @ Daniel Webster LOL) off the wall. The reason I am saying '64 or 5 is that 4th, 5th and 6th graders were on the 3rd floor, 1st and kinder garden was on the first floor, and 2nd and 3rd was on the second floor. The Mentally Challenged were in the Bungalows. I think that they would have been safest in a quake. The principals office was also on the second floor, Mrs. Peck had a balcony that overlooked the school yard.

    hey do you remember what year it was that the tsunami hit Pacifica? you were older so maybe you remember the year.

    LOL I guess I just took this one off the rails. :D

    Oh I meant to say that a quake that makes the dirt look like water has got to be up around a 6 or 7. You were in the south bay then?
     
  24. RichFox
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    I was in Belmont at school in '57 when that quake hit. By '65 I was working at UA in piston engine overhaul. The only other quake I remember is the one in '89 during the World Series. I don't remember much. What I do is usually wrong.
     
  25. I watched a the one in '89 recorded live via satellite. I was out in the bush but my landlord was watching the world series on satellite, I am sure it was bootlegged because before the game he was just watching the field @ Candlestick (I think it was candlestick). When the quake hit the field looked like the bay with a little chop OK a lot of chop. When I came in @ 3:00 AM he met me at my door all shook up saying call your dad earthquake. The Ol' Man was in San Mateo at the time. No calls from Mexico or Texas (or anyplace else with major Mexican populations) going through to Calif. So I called a friend in KC and had him call a friend in Holleywood who could call the Ol' Man and make sure he was OK.

    So getting back to it probably not traditional in the stricktest sense but one of those slant fours made from an SBC would be****s in say a bucket T.
     
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  26. Ya makes me glade my family settled where they did no quakes, tsunami's, hurricanes,
    Just tornados and hail
     
  27. RichFox
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    I am guessing that the point of this is to saw an Chrysler LA engine in half and not just to have a slant four. Because any old four banger could be made to run and oil fine at 45 degrees. I am attaching a picture of a 32 Plymouth with a 57 Ford head. Leaned over it would look like half a Y block Ford. But then I think Ford did build a half Y block for Ford tractors. The flathead Ply. would look cool to leaned over. I think. maybe not the right person to ask engines.jpg
     
  28. We are getting quakes and tremors around here these days and they are not on the New madras fault line. No going into the conspiracy theory on it without being political though. :D

    Yea but then you'd have to bend your headers. :D

    I have actually given some thought to sawing my 355 in half. I think I got enough stuff to build a high winding short stroke and then the 355 would be retired anyway.

    Didn't Pontiac build half a 389? has that already been mentioned?

    This looks like it might be a pair of 'em.

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    Or maybe this in its natural environment

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  29. I was thinking of a single seater like a old indy/landspeed car of the 1920s
    Tucking the engine and trans as far under the right frame rail as possible
    Using a stock model A frame and strate front axle
    And a off set rear axle
     
  30. LOL I wouldn't hold my breath where FEMA is concerned. :rolleyes:

    So your old GF was she like a hurricane, come in all wet and wild and left you broke and homeless? :D
     
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