History Small block flathead/ Crager manifold

The Simca engine can best be described as a variation of the V8-60, it is not identical.[/QUOTE]

And a variation continued on in Argentina with Arun style hemi heads, not sure but maybe into the 70's...

 

too bad she left..........but understandable.

 

Sorry. I did not realize that he was here for talk therapy.

 

At one point Cragar made all kinds of speed parts from-
O.H.V. head for 4 bangers in the early days, intakes, drop axles, transmission adapters to supercharger kits.

My 1958 Cragar catalog-

 

Photo courtesy of Matt Picaro.

Cragar OHV conversion: The aftermarket has always been an uncertain place, even for the greats. Harry Miller, with funding from George Schofield, worked with the famed Leo Goosen to develop a high-performance valve-in-head conversion for use on the Ford Model A. Two years in, the concern collapsed. In 1930, the OHV was again offered under the Cragar brand, but in ’32, that failed as well; this is a rare item.

 

I have been shot, stabbed, had my air supply cut off underwater (twice), had 13 concussions (including one depression skull fracture), and broken every bone that sticks out.

Words.

Give me a break.

 

Omg! Theres something beaner doesnt know everything about? You've gotta be kidding me!

 

I love that little V8-60 . . . wondering what carbs those are on top? Could those be Winfields? Looks like a former race setup of some kind - notice the cooling system on the block sides?

Oh - and to see the PorkNBeaner . . . get some 'edumacation' on our 'baby flathead' . . . that was a rare day on the HAMB - he's not usually wrong.

 

OMG!! Is this TRUE? If so, the LAST thing you need is another break! WTF were you doing?

Ray

 

I was trying to convince the FNG that despite you sound harsh, you point is valid!
It wasn't a "please behave oldtimer" remark from my side.

I been around people older then me most my life and I respect and understand they talk different the young people. But maybe the FNG dos not. Arg, why do I barter, he might be heading for the hills already.

On a different note, WTF you been up to? Marine, cop, dirt bike rider or just a bad ass MoFo that takes no shit from no one?

 

It went into production in late '35, England and Europe only...there are legitimate 1935 Fords in England with 60's.
Engines were actually made here for overseas cars but not used here until '37.
These were sold all over Europe in American/Canadian type Fords, and in 1936 the Model 62 Ford was introduced in Europe...this was a slightly downsized (but not tiny like Anglia) car much like a slightly shrunken '36 US Ford, available with 60 only. It went big block (221) as a WWII staff car, then stayed in production thus for a while after WWII. The actual 62 was also produced as Matford in France.
First 60 version that never made it here at all, the '35-6 version, will shock you if you ever see one. It had 4 mains, two siamesed exhausts per side, an electric fuel pump, and completely different valve order than all other flathead Fords...I saw a bare block once in a French junkyard. Regular block that we know here replaced it, and was then sold here starting in '37.
later, tin side was replaced with all iron, then there was a longer crank and other changes late in its USA life to accommodate crank mounted fan.
European use continued with MANY modifications long after 1940 (when US use ended) and there was even an OHV version.
US 60 serial numbers start above 6,000...the missing numbers are the engines sold overseas before US intro.
Some old Motors manuals have mistakenly published European specs in their 60 info...they list the fuel pump as electric, something never used here.

 

Yea brain fart I completely forgot all of that. We have even recently had threads on the tin covers on the block lately, which I responded on so even if I had never seen one you would think I would have known. Duh' OH guess I earned a Homer on this one.

 

It's OK Beaner, we all do it, sometimes on multiple occasions.

Did the OP take his "small block" and go home??? This is possibly more irritating then people calling FE's big blocks.

It always amazes me what kinds of unique aftermarket parts were produced in the post war era, even for motors that were not well received in the market place. Too much spare manufacturing capacity, I guess. The old "Build it and they will come" attitude.

Rick Schnell built this V8-60 a few years ago with Smith F-Heads. Can't imagine Smith produced to many of those setups.

 

Speedway still offers Offy V8-60 intakes and heads. Had one out of a boat with the stainless steel sides, often called a "tin side" 60.

 

Damn...a V8-60 with a banger engine stand Cool

 

Damn...a V8-60 with a banger engine stand...Cool

 

Robbed in the dead of winter, left for dead (wearing a IIIA vest, with a trauma plate, provided by employer), on the job; bar fight; welding underwater in the Gulf of Mexico; car crashes (track and street); motorcycle crashes (street); explosive propelled shrapnel to Kevlar helmet; lathe accident; and too many incidents and accidents to name, such as parachute opening too late; weak floor in abandoned building; jumping off a fire escape; and getting ejected from a vehicle moving at high speed (not by choice).

How do you think I got this stylish and fancy nickname?

I have some choice photos of waiting to get my foot sewn back on. Wanna see 'em?

I'm 46. The rest...I will leave you guessing.

 

Man! That's quite a list of serious misfortune.........glad you survived.......most wouldn't have.

Remember the old Timex slogan?

Ray

 

I'm pretty sure that Crager made parts for Cameros, or was that Eldebrock? I can't seem to find any references. The internet must be broke.

 

I do remember. Jut don't try to lick me.

 

uhhhh..............I was thinking more in terms of "......keeps on ticking"

Ray

 

In Brazil the Simca V 60 got OHV hemi heads.

 

There's a thread on the HAMB about the Brazilian Simca Hemis. Kinda sorta like an ARDUN only not as rare or as expensive. A Japanese brand - Toyota? - also made an aluminum small Hemi V-8 for its top-of-the-line limousine and it looks terrific.
BTW, I read that the 1937 Ford tube axle came only in V8-60 powered cars. Just sayin'.

 

Does this bring back those memories Bruce? They also had only 15 head studs, and water pumps in the heads as you can see here. Have this one is here in NZ .

 

dude, he was telling you a simple fact, you will find more info via search if you spell it correctly.
fkn noobs...pffft!

 

"Does this bring back those memories Bruce?"
Yes! I tripped over a bare block in a French junkyard sometime around 1970. I could tell by the general architecture it had to be a Ford 60, but the totally different port order and the main count TOTALLY derailed my mind. I had NO idea what it was until many years later. This is the thing that caused Motors manual to say that the 60 had an electric fuel pump, and of course some of them were in the "missing" 6,000 serial numbers that puzzled early V8 people for years.

French junkyards back then had fascinating pile of stuff from the whole history and geographical sweep of auto history...great heaps of WWI vehicles and some WWI, stuff from USA and England, and very old parts galore.
As an example--the junkyard with that 60 block had about a dozen SERIOUS guard dogs, who in the daytime were chained to their houses. The houses were all early Renault hoods!
Only problem was getting in...the natives had NO idea why a stray tourist would want in, and were VERY suspicious, especially since my French was practically zero.

 

Speaking of V8 60's, this one beats all!

HAMB'er Uncle Bob posted this V8 60 powered MGTC, built in 1948 by Doane Spencer and Alex Xydias!
But that's just the beginning!!!

The car was repurchased in the 1970's by a previous owner, and upgraded with Ardun heads (1 of only 21 sets reputed to have ever been made), with work by the likes of Dean Moon, Fred Larson, and Dick Kraft (among others)!

Yep. This one beats all!



You can read more here: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/lost-and-found-ardun-v8-60.510369/

 

That's a great looking engine & I'm really digging that stand!!! Very nice!!!

 

As I was born too late ('65) I received a cousins big, cast-off box of '50's-'60's car magazines and story books, in the early '70's. One book was about a group of young teens who went midget racing in the Southwest area. They were running a V8-60 motor(no mention of 'Ford' in story) and the car to beat was a rich kid with a "Cragar". No description (cyl.count,etc) of this particular motor was mentioned. They eventually won enough money to buy their own "Cragar"and started to clean house. There was also a strapping youth with large wrists from Texas(A.J. perhaps?) who won a lot. I have always wondered what they were referring to with "Cragar". I know of the over head conversion and other speed parts. Could this be what was meant in the story?? Thanks all for your patience!! P.S. I still have the box of magazines & story books in my attic! One book was called 'The Red Car" about a red MG TC

 

Maybe he meant small black flathead?