As far as all the talk about "its time that we all speak up" at***ude, yet none of you will ever "speak up" more than posting your rants on the HAMB. That, my friends, is not "speaking up", that's just whining. In my city, there were some things that were coming up that I wanted to participate in, I wanted my voice heard and I wanted to shape the new policy instead of watching from the side-lines......So, I spoke up, became the Mayor with a landslide election and served for 8 years, up until 2004. I spoke up and put my energy and time on the line to get things done. I didn't weep from the out-field, I rolled up my sleeves, flew back and forth to Sacramento fighting for my City and it's needs and was successful. As far as my statement that "none of this applies to me"....well, it doesn't. I have a legally registered '34 with a Henry Ford frame, proper VIN numbers, etc. And it's been that way for 23 years, since it got dragged out of a field in South Dakota. Its as legal as the day is long. Period. And as far as my Tennessee brother stated about being close to car events, race tracks, and the like...., I live 20 minutes from Pomona Drag Strip and the NHRA Museum and the Grand National Roadster Show, 30 minutes from the Peterson Museum, 40 minutes from Fontana's drag strip, oval, and road course, 70 minutes from the El Mirage Dray Lakes speed trials (6 times a year), 10 minutes from Irwindale Raceway and drag strip, 90 minutes from the "March Meet" in Bakersfield and the California Hot Rod Reunion and I could go on and on...but there's no point. Southern California has a rather well known reputation for being somewhat car crazy, here's the weather forecast for today... <table cl***="weatherBox" border="0"><tbody><tr><td cl***="weatherHead">Weather:</td><td cl***="weatherContent"> PASADENA, CA High: 71ºF </td></tr></tbody></table> Maybe you saw our weather on TV yesterday is you watched the Rose Parade, which ends 1 1/2 miles from my house... If I was the age of many of you guys, I probably could not afford all this, but I'm 59, so all my house buying and "nest egg saving" days are behind me. I had a "plan" when I was 25 to retire when I was 50. I ****ed up and didn't get to retire until I was 52. My bad. But, thankfully it all worked out. I'm looking out of my window as I type this and I am looking up at Mt. Wilson as I have been doing each morning for 59 years. It's become an old friend over the years. I'm sure you guys have "old friends", too. Whether that "old friend is a barn, a building, a park. the old schoolhouse, whatever it is, it is all part of the weaving of a life and roots to hold it in place. This is home, as your homes are yours, places of choice to live. Each of us chooses to live where we do. There are no bad choices as long as you are able to make your own choice. That being said, I've got to fire up the '34 as a bunch of us are heading out to a diner for lunch at the beach. I know many of you will have a wonderful day, too. Enjoying your home, your city, your state...no matter where it is, it's yours and your to enjoy... It's saturday..let's get out there!!!
I respect you Mazooma1 and the fact that you worked your plan is cool. That's just about the only way CA is affordable. We left CA for a number of reasons beyond the expense that are too far O/T here to go into. But to bring this back on topic, you can't get around the fact that the DMV is one of the most inefficient, poorly run, non-common sense gov't agencies there is. The fact that I tried to register my new construction vehicle honestly and legally and yet I was stymied at every turn is what encourages people to try to get around the laws. Here in TN the at***ude of the lady behind the counter was "how can we make this work for you". In CA it was more like; "No, you can't do that." The clerks at the DMV are not equipped to handle anything out of the usual new Lexus or Honda. The supervisor that I dealt with not only didn't know the regulations, but didn't even recognize them when I showed them to her in black and white. It's been proven over and over down through history, make gov't rules and regulations difficult to comply with and unpopular and people will try to avoid compliance.
Bingo. The government sleeps with anyone who pays them or gets them paid. This law is going to make a lot of money.
I'm not in California but can see it across the valley. Here in Nevada we had no problem with getting legal ***le and registration for a specially constructed vehicle. We used a pre-smog engine ('67) and complied with the required certified inspection. It could not have gone easier at DMV. I realized long ago that using newer components in hot rod builds might become a problem. So I have used the older stuff for mine for the last 20 years. No doubt all vehicles will be under the magnifying gl*** as time goes on. Certainly regulations differ between the states and California represents the direction they may go. I found here in Nevada that researching the regulations provided the way to get thru the DMV maze without problems.
first paragraph... VERY WELL PUT, and thank you 2nd paragraph, i myself am not trying to debate that one (mid-west vs west), i personally love it out west, i just get angered by all the bureaucratic non-sense the goes on in alot of those state's... but to say that other states will "come online" as they see what potential revenues have been "lost".... well that just proves my point... your states government is just that.... it works for a state that belongs to you.. its supposed to represent what the majority of people there want. once people forget that, all is lost... if everyone is opposed to a law, and it p***es... something went wrong, and just as mazooma1 said, its OUR responsibility to ring up our state represen***ives, and makes our voices heard... not just rant in a H.A.M.B. board... BUT, that is important too, cause alot of those rants, light a fire under some people's ***'s to go and get the job done... as i hope this has done to at least one person who reads it.
Mazooma, I believe you reside close to Bean Town Coffee. We should buy a cup, sit outside on one of the tables on the sidewalk, admire the San Gabriels from where we sit, marvel at our legally registered vehicles sitting before us and toast with the java those freezing across the country that have such outrage for our laws and anger that we have to live here. Cuz, no matter what we have to do to do it, we can.
A brand-new car is a brand-new car, custom built or not. If you have a frame and a matching ***le, or a body and a matching ***le (did they have numbers on the body in 32?) this won't apply to you. If you don't have those things what you have is a brand new car... It does **** that they want to go back and check what they have already allowed though. That end of it is pretty ****ed up.
And from the street California's working poor marvel at your $10 designer mochas, D&G shades and $100,000.00 StreetRods and all is well in the land of greed and makebelief....
I don't understand the distinctions being made a**** California, Nevada, the Midwest and Tennessee. You're all 'out west' to me - that transition occurs at the Hudson River.
Just doesnt seem right to be forced to put a certain engine combo in your car, and for them to go after vehicles they have already said were "ok"...... Anything pre-2010 should be grandfathered........ I bet if uncle sam owned ford, youy would have to put a ford engine in your car....... I like the SEMA action network, but it seems as if they didnt do a whole lot to stand up to this one for us........ James
The painted picture needed some embellishment. Not necessarily directed at you or the bigdaddyo. I love california as much as the next guy but our personal freedoms and our incomes have been taken away by the powers in charge. Where I live on the other side of the San Gabriel Mountains most people lost their homes or are about to. Unemployment a****st males is rising everyday and those who find work get paid $11/hour. I am self employed and well off. I shouldn't care but I do because I see the guys in my car club struggling to survive. California and the nation are mismanaged. Social en***lement programs are ****ing the life out of taxpayers and skilled jobs are moving to other states. It's no wonder people in other states are making fun of us. The governator is a joke and the fools in Sacramento seem to have no idea whats going on in working cl*** California. So you are fine with your Street Rod. Good for you but aren't you at least a little upset that your choices in future car ownership are dictated to you by the government?
I live in California, but love being a military member! I register my car in SC and drive them all in California!!! NO SMOG, NO ***le issues, no worries!!! I dread the day I get out of the military and have to figure out where I am gonna stay and register my cars!
I did register the 52 in California, (very expensive) only to get a statement that my tags were suspended for no Insurance. I showed them proff (they still made me pay the $26) and they were unsuspended. Less than 30 days later, the same thing happened. Went and they wanted me to pay another $26 to "reinstate" my tags. The insurance had not changed...so I handed them the tags, told them to go F themselves, went and paid $24 for tags and $12 for taxes in SC and haven't had my tags suspended because of taxes yet! California DMV is terrible!
Well said. It is soooo much worse here in detroit. I wondered how the economy and job situation was out west. State unemployment around 17%, Detroit unemployment is 29%, but then again no one who actually ever worked lives there anyways...... James
WTF does my car have to do with this? I'm keeping it until I croak, so it's not an issue for me. You guys need to actually DO something instead of singing along with me and the HAMB choir. Us car guys are not the problem. For the most part, SEMA has been doing a good job with battling Sacramento. If there are issues that need attention, then get ahold of SEMA, your state senator or state ***emblymember. I took up the challenge and took on a great deal of responsibility (aka, headaches) in the past 15 years and, with the help of many others in town, made a big difference. You can, too. Everyone can. Seriously...you sound like you are a strong-willed individual and you can make a big difference, too.
Hey, I have basically only worked about a quarter of a normal year this year, not booked anything since July, I built my cars all by myself, with used parts for the most part, would puke if I owned a "StreetRod", i only have hot rods and customs, and do not drink foo-foo drinks, just straight coffee. The point I was making was that despite all the problems I may have, or are perceived by those across the country, it is all worth it 'cuz I really do live a good life because I am in Southern California. It would **** if all of this was happening and I lived in a place covered with snow, freezing cold and my cars stuffed in a garage for the winter. And Mazooma, you are so right, people need to participate to get the world they really want. Been saying that for years, but i think the words fall softly to the ground.
I'm confused about this new law. As an example my truck. The body is a steel 1932 Ford. The frame is mostly home-built (about 4' from the front all the way back). The VIN is a 1932 Ford VIN. The truck was inspected by the state of California's DMV last year when they approved the registration of it. How does this new law affect my truck and myself?
as i read over this thread about these laws, one thing in all this has become real clear, people in califonia get ****hurt pretty easily
Factual information has been scarce on this thread, other than the link to the SEMA pages. From what I have gleaned, you probably are OK since you did not purchase a high-dollar repopped body and frame and then ***le it as a genie 32 Ford survivor that cost you $1.00 'as is'. But I am not 100% certain and I have been hoping that all this talk of **** ****ing and lattes and palm trees would give way to some solid information. I am not personally affected by any of this, but it is interesting and, as some others have noted, it is a harbinger of the way things seem to be headed anyway.
elections are comming up.Cali. is the test bed for the rest of the Country.I have family in the bay area,They have to make a phone call before lighting there fireplace,to check air quality of the day.
Well written reply plym49. As TotallyCustom wrote no fraud = no worries. But this is one of those laws where the vehicle's owner is at fault/liable regardless of who committed the fraud and the owner of the vehicle will be guilty before proven innocent. It is the California DMV afterall. Most of my truck's frame is homebuilt and it has a 1932 VIN, that in itself can be construed as fraud by whomever has the authority to do so. The same applies to anyone with a vehicle ***led as a 1932 Ford that either has a non Ford body or a non Ford frame. Since the VIN was on the frame (I think) then any original 1932 Ford body that's on any repop frame could be found frauduelent as well. Correct? Obviously the law doesn't apply to specifically 1932 Ford's, I just used that as an example. The same could apply for any 1932 Ford frame with any fibergl*** body or non 1932 Ford body. The revenue could be staggering. Just think, after they fine the vehicle's owner's, auction off all the vehicles either in other country's or auction them off as for parts only, it might actually affect the state's deficit.
I'm unclear on how it may affect you also, such as whether you have enough original frame for it to be a "real" 32. I would think it depends on if you have the original Ford stamped vin also. What about all the A's on new frames but registered with a Model A vin? Model A's and other old Fords don't have numbers on the body, how does the vin get from old frame to new frame? Do people get ***igned vins in that case, but still call it a 29 or 32? Chris
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