Technical spring behind the axel head scratch questions

now were getting somewhere.. as I've heard that before....I might just start calling it a piece of pipe with do hickys to bolt to my car....lol

 

If you're shortening the wheelbase why even bother asking me what I think about a foot longer wheelbase ???
It doesn't matter !
You're one of those guys that have no real world experience but will read something online then over analyze it to death, to the point you'll argue with someone with real world experience and become real annoying real quick.

 

That is not how you spell "doohickey"........

 

I'll chime in with a rebuttal

Have you ever tried panning for Gold, where the water washes from side to side in the pan.
This is the same phenomenon that happens when cornering and the suspension "washes" from side to side.
Installing a bar makes it difficult [or Hard] to "Pan" ,hence the name Panhard bar.

The fact that it was used in the early 20th century by the Panhard Levassor automobile company is pure coincidence

 

You know there will be some that believe that, don't you?

 

Everyone knows that a wats link works better than a panard bar.

 

Wasn't going to bother but as you're being pedantic - it's AXLE.

 

PM me the names, I’ve been in the area a long time.

 

That won’t happen if you can find “black sand”. Fill a 5 gallon bucket up, take it home, trickle the water in your pan, the thing is (what we have here) it takes a lot of time to get get enough to turn in.
But I’ve done harder work for the estimated 8 bucks an hour I’ve made.
But dang, it sure is exciting!

 

Since we are correcting spelling, there are two T’s in Watts link

 

Easy there... didn't mean to put a burn in yur saddle...my question was why? I see a lot of t's where they streched the WB out, just was wondering why, as far as having no real world experience, your probley right, but i have owned a street rod / fab /muffler shop since 1982, chopped and channeled my 32 in 1970... all by my self ( i was a married with kids broke dick) so I had no money to pay someone.. started painting hot rods the same way..drove and wrenched A/fuel when I was 17.race the AA/BAD class against Adams and enriquis in the 70.. raced my hanna body injected alcohol digger al by my self ..before that wrenched on a nail head 6 2's modelA sitting In the seat I couldn't see over the dash, my buddy tom used to tell me.. when you get big enough to see out you can drive....but for now get the manifold and heads off... so at 70+... I spend most of my time try'n to remember what I used to know...lol... I really like this site, got called a tool the first day,...

 

my dad and grampa both, Bill Demello.. my dad had a dago raked 36 ford mild winfield custom w/ a carson top, and next a 41 done the same... I was born in merced, lived in ceries, my mom died there about 10 years ago and I haven been back also lost both my brothers that lived there...we moved to Hayward, and my grampa worked at oakland ford pretty much his whole life... in 57 we moved to vegas and through the years I moved back and forth...lived/ worked on a dairy my freshman yr. in newman and went to Gustine high..my Dad gave me a scrap book when I got married and was working on my 32,..pics of him and his buddy's out at the dry lakes... my ex when we split, decided that the best way to get even with me for banging her sister was to throw all my old car pics from my dad and gramps in the trash..

so buzz cut, flat top, da, stove pipe, cuffed is my life...lol...no one with an ounce of cool wore faded levi's any where but to work...and if you could afford it you threw them out if mom put them in the washer

 

so, thanks to all that participated in this thread...even the ones that kicked me in the balls and called me names...lol,.. isn't life just Grand...

anyway,.. pretty much sealed the deal on the car, going to pick it up today.. hopefully I will see enough value in the pile of parts to bring it home...if there's enough interest, or any for that matter I will post it up so all can rip it apart.... and don't hold back.. my lying eye's have fooled me many a time...

 

This is true. With split wishbone, you effectively turn the front axle into an anti-roll bar (sway bar). A Ford I-beam axle has much less resistance to the twisting, but still offers the anti-roll effect. A tube axle with 2 inches diam is effectively a non-twisting anti-roll bar. That is why four bars are common to see with a tube axle, the four bars allow the movement easier than rigid wishbones or hairpins.

 

I'm not an engineer, but if you think about it the wishbones were designed to control fore and aft movement. Plenty strong and effective when attached to the axle. Wishbones weren't designed to carry weight and control up and down movement. Welding the perches to them is a pretty bad idea, in my book. The bones are pretty light and small in cross section to safely do that. I would think they would be subject to eventual cracking and failure under that kind of stress.

 

also my thought...

 

Don’t let 60-72 Chevy C10 trailing arms hear you say that.

 

As alchemy and 2old 2fast have stated if done right, no problem. It's when components are altered to the point they no longer serve the intended purpose e.g. bending the wishbone to run parallel to the frame, too much space, stretched, between perch & axle, etc. Mine has a "suicide axle", 116" wb, cross steer, no panhard bar, (it does have a steering damper)maybe someday.
Chassis was constructed following the parameters of a kit offered by U.S. Speed Sport of Santa Fe Springs that was featured in one of the "little books" using common steel tubing and Ford suspension pieces. The only variance being 18" extra length (the original version was for a T modified) . The wishbone mounted perches "allow using a Ford axle to lower the chassis without the expense of a dropped axle." It steers like a big go cart, not a sharp radius but ... I have drove this car well past 100mph and you can take your hands off the wheel.
While a Watts link is more effective , mounted on a front axle? I' d like to see pics of that.
I'm surprised that having a Rod shop in California you're unfamiliar with the premise of "spring behind axle".

 

Yeah, that was part of the joke.

 

The idea of using "spell check" as a basis for determining the veracity of a word is at best clueless , at worst , frightening , falls under the " seriously ? " heading .SMH !

 

Learning about how the front end geometry works on these cars is fascinating. Clearly it all works to some degree and becomes a what does the owner prefer issue. There are a lot of speed modifications that can be made to cars that we don't talk about here because it is not in keeping with the forum's preferences. That works on this site and the site appears to be thriving. But, something that was posted earlier by 2FF should be brought up. HotBoat was a fecal fest most days and there is a reason the site died. Most of us mature as we age and learn what does and doesn't work. Please leave the HB type posts in the past.

 

......... and an apostrophe...... but I think @PotvinV8 was maybe just yanking our chain....

 

I hate to correct you, but I believe that name is Axl

 

I do it a little different. I have my machine shop make me some bungs to go thru the wishbone and are welded to the bones. The bungs have an inside taper for the forged early Ford perches to nest in. On the outside of the bones a simple slotted nut with cotter key keeps everything tight. Before we tighten the nut for the final time all the weight is on the cars correct tires are mounted so the attitude is set. This allows the perches, spring and shackles to line up with no bind. I've done several this way with no problems. Most notable if these is Dennis Saum's deuce Bones style 3 window. You can check out the front spring setup on hopupmagazine.com Scroll down Dennis Saum 3 window outtakes.

 

oh well, I'll just say, car not as advertised... waisted trip..

 

That's a nice piece of fiction. 100% false by the way.

 

Not your fault @05snopro440 , but that is a very bad picture as an example. Having the Panhard rod on an angle like that will cause problems. It should be as level as possible and as long as possible. At least they have spelled it correctly.......

 

A Rose by any other name..........

 

The picture is a rudimentary drawing, not an example of correct geometry. The highlighted text is the point of the post.

 

any chance of letting go with the how to say panhard???

as said... there's a lot of stretched WB T buckets out there, but for,.. and sure I'm total wrong and will be drug across the boards.. and I just wanna get caught up ... still the question I have... 23 T is a bucket, and 26/27's are roadsters, correct?? or has that changed also???... I can see building a frame thats stretched on a 27 roadster to get room for a small block, not a lot of room in a 27 cab area and cutting into that cramps it up quick... 1980 era, we had jigs for model T, and model A frames, and right around then started using deuce rails to make a 29 hi-boy... in that era...steel 32 roadsters where pretty easy to come by , but the fad T was going strong... and I see speed way still hits that market 50 years later...

never was a bucket guy.. 32/34 was where I was at.. 27's are shallow and even if you make a hi boy.. it's a low boy parked next to a 32 high boy..

what I was trying to find out, during my vacation from hotrods... was there a trend to build 27 roadsters with stretched wb, and go bucket style on the suspension????

there's a 27 that has a build thread on this site..... how could I find it...I don't know the screen names of those involved...just know they are long time members... the car is for sale, and from what I have come up with,...there's some bad history with the current and past owners.. but would like to look at the build thread... I don't even know if it's a good idea to post' a pic of the car as I would have nothing to gain, and might offend the builders...

so any ideas of how to search for 27 roadsters here???