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Technical Starter rebuild question

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by StefanS, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. Ship it to me. I got a 3 bolt starter here that is in good enough shape for parts. Between the two of them we can make you a good starter. Probably cost us shipping and maybe a couple of bucks, have you going again in a few days (I'm slow).
     
  2. StefanS
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    I truly do appreciate that. Thats one of the things I love about this site. I have the napa starter on order already and it has a lifetime warranty so I'll be covered for a while.
     
  3. squirrel
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    3 bolt starter would be 12v, eh? the parts don't fit....
     
  4. StefanS
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    I was wondering about that but I don't know enough to question it
     
  5. StefanS
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    So here's what we're looking at. To start off, my car had the wrong starter. From my research, i found out that the powerglide starters came with 4 field coils and the manual cars came with 2. I only have 2. Two of the four brushes are completely worn out. How that could happen to only two, I have no idea. Also, the fiber material I was talking about covers the field coils. One of the covers is torn. There's also a ton of grit and grime in there. It was surprisingly easy to re***emble however. All the pieces were pretty much self explanatory and nw it's one unit again. Does anyone with one of those books that gives all part numbers feel like seeing what the number for the field coils is? I found a bunch on ebay for between 20-40 dollars. Brushes I can get on Rock auto for like $4 for the set. I tried to upload pics but it's not letting me for some reason
     
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  6. Ooops missed the 6V part. :oops:
     
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  7. squirrel
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    TOMCP is down...bummer!

    http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/

    2.049...coil ***y, starting motor field

    1921195 and 1921196 should be them, right and left

    the upper and lower for the PG type is 826282 and 8262821
     
  8. StefanS
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    Ah, thank you sir. So do you think I can take a two field coil starter and add the extra two to make it a four field coil starter, or are there other internal differences as well?
     
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    Here are those pics Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-04-45.png Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-04-41.png Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-04-49.png
     
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    And here's the Napa starter. I really wanted to keep my money local and help an independent, small business, but at almost double the price of what this one costs, I didn't have much choice. This starter cost $106.64 out the door and I get to hang on to the old starter. The only thing is, it's rebuilt in me-he-co but at least it's connected to us right? Lol Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-14-50.png Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-14-56.png
     
  11. squirrel
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    I would just clean it up as best you can, and replace the brushes, and put it back in...but I am a lazy cheapskate.

    (I would not suggest adding more field coils, unless you also make sure the rest of the starter is the same as the one that came with 4 field coils, which according to my book was used on 55 Corvettes, but not on the powerglide equipped p***enger cars)
     
  12. squirrel
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    does the gear on the rebuilt starter look the same as the gear on your old one? same size teeth, etc?
     
  13. StefanS
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    Here's a couple more Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-15-00.png Screenshot_2017-01-20-09-25-38.png
     
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    Yeah, it looks identical. It also came with the solenoid which the $168 rebuild wouldn't have so that could potentially have saved me another $50-$60 on top of the $70 it already saved me.
     
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    Chev235guy.blogspot.com is where I got the info about the different starters.
     
  16. squirrel
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    maybe I read the book wrong?

    field.jpg
     
  17. StefanS
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    It looks like it's saying '50-'54 p***. w/ pg and '54-'55 corvette has an upper and lower
     
  18. squirrel
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    yup. But the corvette don't have a left and right.

    Very strange...
     
  19. StefanS
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    This is true. I suppose it doesn't matter too much anyway, since I'm switching to a manual trans so I won't need the extra field coils anyway. I just hope this one lasts until I get it in. I'm still looking for a garage to do the swap
     
  20. squirrel
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    they do seem to all use the same armature.

    Did you peek inside the new starter and see how many field coils it has?
     
  21. StefanS
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    I haven't, but now I want to.
     
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  22. You are correct but the FJ and FK exceptions, ???
    Do you have the chart in the Parts Catalog that decodes that? I used to know a lot of those codes but I have forgotten them.

    I used to have a 29-54 parts book that I found at the first dealership I worked at in 1970 but gave it to a friend a few years back. I know he sold the car since then. I just saw him at a memorial service on Sunday, should have asked him if he still had it.
     
  23. squirrel
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    FJ and FK are 1948 models
     
  24. StefanS
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    The starter has 2 field coils. I'm thinking about putting some "Right Stuff" rtv around the edges of the commutator cover band, to seal it up really well
     
  25. squirrel
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    I would not....
     
  26. StefanS
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    Any particular reason? I just figured it covered the brushes and all
     
  27. squirrel
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    It should be fine the way it is. You don't plan on fording rivers or anything, eh?
     
  28. StefanS
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    Nah, no rivers for me but you should've seen the crud that started dripping out when I took the band off the old one.
     
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